Mel mentioned that cymbal when I interviewed him around 1976 for his first MD feature interview. He told me he wanted to will it to the Zildjian Company as a museum piece of sorts.
This is the youtube vidoe of Danny Gottlieb playing this cymbal - There are vidoes of Mel playing it
and it sounds really nice.
I remember seeing a video of Danny Gottlieb with a newish cymbal with similar cuts. Just maybe, they made a clone at Z? Then the should have the weight. Maybe Paul Francis knows?Does anybody know how much it weighs?
I remember seeing a video of Danny Gottlieb with a newish cymbal with similar cuts. Just maybe, they made a clone at Z? Then the should have the weight. Maybe Paul Francis knows?
Edit: just found a new-to-me video!
Yes, Steve. That was in fact me. Thanks for remembering.Some pictures of the cymbal to liven up an ancient resurrect.
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The trademark is a Trans Stamp Type IV. The bell looks a little smaller than the Medium Cup to me. That would make it the Medium Small Cup which is starting to appear on more 1950s and early 1960s cymbals now that we have recognized it. I'm looking to retrieve more info on this. It comes from Cymbalholic back in 2018, but as the site is now offline I can't remember if I had the weight at the time. I'll keep looking in my notes. Also somebody was trying to make a clone of it by doing those cutouts on a more modern A Zildjan cymbal. I can't remember who. @egw was it you or do you or any other Cymbalholics remember?
TPC, yes it was I on cymbalholic who was doing that project. As Steve suggested, it started as a Symphonic French cymbal that already had a few edge cracks. I don't remember the before and after weights off the top of my head, but I recall being surprised that those big chunks coming off only took 60 or so grams off the total weight.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but those (or at least the one on the far right) look like the short-lived A&Cie series, not K Con.
He can be seen in photos and heard on recordings playing that cymbal in the modified state as early as the mid 50's, so it seems likely that it was a 40's cymbal. Otherwise, it would have had to develop those initial cracks rather quickly.I was thinking early Trans (1949ish) but after recent discussion in another thread it seems Pre Trans (early 40s?) may be more likely. Not that we really need to know. I'm content to know that they sound nice to my ears.