Forgive me, as I'm unfamilar with your profesional experience. And I mean that sincerely, I don't know you or what you do. I'm not a name guy but I have some first call friends, big tours, the biggest actually. And they've told me stories of bandleaders correcting the tempo or feel some of the biggest most famous drummers in the world. It happens, it happens a lot. Nobody is immune. I haven't listened to the clip posted here, but if a producer thinks it's too slow, then it's too slow. Not Gadd, not Vinnie, not Hal Blaine. It's not a dis, it's just the way it is. That's my opinion anyway. I guess yours is different. which is fine. All good. I just wanted to point out that it's more common than you think. Maybe that doesn't make it right. But what is " right" ?I assume this is Terry Melcher we hear directing this session? What I get from this audio is affirmation that Michael Clark played nothing on the first two Byrd’s albums. Melcher thinks nothing of stopping the best studio musicians in their tracks, critiquing them then telling them to do it again. The first thing he says to the greatest studio drummer in the world is that he is playing the song too slow.
Have a read of the Byrds tome/book. Blaine is only on Mr Tambourine Man. Michael Clark, no pushover, merely shocked they would not be using the bands musicians here. He played tasteful parts on many other early songs, but not this hit.I assume this is Terry Melcher we hear directing this session? What I get from this audio is affirmation that Michael Clark played nothing on the first two Byrd’s albums.
Wrong Nacci.....Like others in this post I saw The Byrds in 1965. In concert the only song he sounded "not like the record" was Mr. Tambourine Man.
The only song on the first two albums HB drummed on is Mr. Tambourine Man. Heck, that's obvious even when one listens to the albums. Even Hal never claimed he played on more than that......
No one said he did not become a drummer but what the leader of the Byrds is saying is that he was not one when they formed.Hal is on three Byrds songs. He played on Mr. Tambourine Man, She Don't Care About Time and an early version of Lay Lady Lay.
To say Michael Clarke was a poor drummer and couldn't cut the sessions is ludicrous. Listen to the stuff they cut at World Pacific Studios the year before signing to CBS. The drumming is more than adequate. Not to mention there's a sh*tload of AFM sheets proving that Michael played on nearly all the early sessions up to The Notorious Byrd Brothers, when he left the band and was replaced on the remainder of the record by Jim Gordon. None of this has ever been shrouded in secrecy.
For a guy who was supposedly a poor drummer, The Flying Burrito Brothers couldn't scoop him up fast enough when he became available to join them. And then he went on to even greater success as the drummer of Firefall.
So Nacci, where are all the AFM sheets for the Byrds sessions with Hal's name on them? Are you saying the ones with Michael Clarke's name on them were made up, fake? And Michael did drum prior to the Byrds. His sister has posted pictures of Michael playing the drums circa 1962-63 of a crew cut Mike playing with his teenage garage band. And even though Hal says Michael resented him, there's an interview on Youtube that Michael gave to the BBC in 1990 where he is extremely complimentary to Hal and the other session players.
Fumbling? Clarke plays right along here. ...even the flam at 3:33.But, more importantly, just go back and watch the TV performances of the Byrds after they hit big. Everyone of them shows a band miming their parts to a prerecorded track with Michael Clarke fumbling away and playing off beat to what you are hearing.
So perhaps not so ludicrous after all.
Yep, he does a decent job of holding it down here, still shaky but decent. This video would have been October or November of "65"? I'll say it again, like McGuinn said, the Byrds did eventually become a band and Clarke did eventually become a drummer but they were not in the beginning, they were a manufactured entity, doing other peoples songs and recorded by studio musicians.Fumbling? Clarke plays right along here. ...even the flam at 3:33.
As for miming, most bands on TV shows of the 60's did so.