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New Year, Old Ks (and some cymbal bell nerdery)

curly

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Happy New Year everyone!

2022 was the year, after a couple of decades of cymbalholicism, that I finally jumped into the old K waters. And frankly, I think that without those antecedent years, I would have been able to appreciate or understand the old two Ks I now have.

A 20" intermediate stamp at ~1998g and a 22" older new stamp at ~2370g. The IS is just a smidge under 20" and the 22" NS is actually 21.5". They both have that great combination of icy stick, swirling overtones (lows, mids, and highs) in the wash with great depth, fantastic complex bells, and open up nicely when crashed.

The 20" intermediate was from a drummer who had quite a collection of Ks that went to Charlie at Badges Drum Shop. It looks almost brand new and has very minimal signs of use. I've been watching the cymbal market for a long time and Ks this clean are just not that common. And aside from one edge nick, it has no issues at all. As an aside, Charlie is great to do business with.

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The 21.5 NS I found on via Reverb with one of the worst cell phone videos I can remember. Reminded me of what cell phone videos were like a decade ago. But I could hear enough, I thought, and it seemed like the pitch different with the 20 IS would be pretty nice. Years of listening to soundfiles perhaps paid off! It has a beautiful chocolate patina and virtually no issues.

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I think they sound great together. I'm not sure if @zenstat would consider these medium light or medium weights but they feel medium light to me. I really like that I can really dig into them and they maintain that amazing stick clarity and just give back more.

As I was taking photos of them today, I noticed that the bells are really quite similar. The angles are different in the picture but in person they almost look identically lopsided. I should measure them to see (and for @zenstat's data). Even though they have different stamps, I have to wonder if they were made with the same bell mold.

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Some sounds:
 
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Those old K's DO sound great together! Does the NS sound darker to you than other examples? Maybe the patina is helping in that regard? Would you say the profile is a bit flatter on that one than the 20? It sort of looks that way in the photos.
 

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Those old K's DO sound great together! Does the NS sound darker to you than other examples? Maybe the patina is helping in that regard? Would you say the profile is a bit flatter on that one than the 20? It sort of looks that way in the photos.

I haven't played any other new stamps in a good while so I'm not sure I can really reference it against others. This one is on the darker side, perhaps especially given the weight but that stick just cuts.

Good call on the profile of the 22 being a bit flatter! The 22 is fairly fairly flat from the bell until the outer third where it gently tapers. The 20 has a very gentle taper starting very close to the bell bridge.

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Ron Enyard is the drummer who unloaded the K's at Badges.I was there.Enyard is a legend on many fronts.ALL of his gear looks NEW...meticulously maintained.
Here he is on a fairly recent gig...82 years young
 

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Ron Enyard is the drummer who unloaded the K's at Badges.I was there.Enyard is a legend on many fronts.ALL of his gear looks NEW...meticulously maintained.
Here he is on a fairly recent gig...82 years young

Thanks. I thought it was one of Ron's cymbals though the listings didn't say so. I also have an asian alloy spizzichino I suspect came from Ron's cymbals.

And yes, this 20 IS basically looks brand new.
 

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Thanks. I thought it was one of Ron's cymbals though the listings didn't say so. I also have an asian alloy spizzichino I suspect came from Ron's cymbals.

And yes, this 20 IS basically looks brand new.
Ron picked those personally @ Gretsch/Brooklyn
 

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I’m not a cymbal guy , and I really liked those 2 together …..
 

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the two sound really good together! I haven't had such luck on my old K journey so far, maybe I should consider an intermediate stamp in connection with my 20" new stamp.
 


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