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Non-EAK Custom 18 - what’s this worth?

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I did some research and believe that this is a 1987(ish) Zildjian (NOT AN EAK) Custom (Ride) 18”. It has very unique markings from the hammering machine, and was also hammered manually (by Zildjian). It’s dark like a K but incredibly bold at the same time. You can crash it but might wake folks in the next town over if you do.
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Curious if I’ve got this model right and what it may be worth.
 
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EAK's have the big K logo on the underside...I've also never seen a brilliant finish 'Custom-style' EAK...I don't think this is an EAK, sorry to say
 

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This is what I was referring to. See 1987.

I was always uncertain about exactly where to draw the EAK vs IAK boundary, and if that terminology even applies to these earliest Customs. My text reflects that. Perhaps it is better to call it a Custom model from before those were taken out of the K series and placed in the K Custom series.

I'll see what I've got in the sales data department.

You can crash it but might wake folks in the next town over if you do.

Amen.
 

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There might be freaks or hybrid EAK's out there that don't have K's on both sides. Then again, they would be incredibly hard to find.
The important thing is the fine lathing and hammering style they show (hammered bell too). This isn't one of them. Just appears to be a regular K Custom which
came about around 1987/1988 as the EAK's were winding down. I've owned one EAK/IAK where one side was EAK (top) and the bottom an IAK with "ZILDJIAN" ink.
 

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I was always uncertain about exactly where to draw the EAK vs IAK boundary, and if that terminology even applies to these earliest Customs. My text reflects that. Perhaps it is better to call it a Custom model from before those were taken out of the K series and placed in the K Custom series.



Amen.

I just realized that was YOUR article. Ha! That’s funny.
 

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OK everyone, so I changed the thread title, as the whole EAK thing was clearly a delicate subject. Let’s get to the other part of my question. :)
 

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See what I meant when I said I was uncertain? EAK opinions vary and are sometimes strongly held. ;)

Sales department says just one sale of an 18" in 2019. Weight 2226g, good condition. Model ink upside down (for those keeping score in the great model ink/production year debate). Went for $299 and free shipping. One sale isn't enough to get any idea of the price distribution. For that I need to do a more inclusive look at:

the other diameters (20" and 22")
how the prices sit relative to other models in the EAKs and IAKs and other Ks and K Customs (when they separated out).

and a full statistical modelling exercise. And I'm a bit snowed under with other work at the moment...
 

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According to the Zildjian Literature I got from Zen, K Customs came out in 1987 16, 18 and 20's and then became a separate line in 1995. I believe that's when they added "ride" to the name.
The 18 is less common than the 20 but I would think most would be after a 20 as a ride, or at least I would be. I'd also want a non-faded K if I were buying for my collection still I would ball park $200 give or take.
 

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See what I meant when I said I was uncertain? EAK opinions vary and are sometimes strongly held. ;)
My opinion based solely on the cymbals I like are IAK's and I consider them from when Zildjian appeared on bottom instead of the K up to when they changed the lathing back to finer style and changed the model text to what I call Art Deco. So I consider there to be pre serial IAK as well as serial IAK's from 1995 to 2006ish 2007?? When they changed the style, I know I bought new K's in 2007 and they were the Art Deco fine lathed, and I didn't care for them as much as my 90's A's that I got rid of for them, once I bought my first IAK a 18" pre-aged dry light ride I was hooked. So far the only cymbal model from the era that I don't like is the 22" Pre-aged. I've had two and sold both quickly.....but I digress :)
 

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According to the Zildjian Literature I got from Zen, K Customs came out in 1987 16, 18 and 20's and then became a separate line in 1995. I believe that's when they added "ride" to the name.
The 18 is less common than the 20 but I would think most would be after a 20 as a ride, or at least I would be. I'd also want a non-faded K if I were buying for my collection still I would ball park $200 give or take.

...and the 22" a year later in 1988. I've seen all but the 16". The 16" must be really rare, but I suspect this is one of the situations where rare doesn't equate directly to desirable and higher prices. Quick run down on the more often seen 20" and 22"

22" weights in increasing order: 3327g, 3401g, 3404g, 3604g (laser 1995)
22" prices in increasing order: $191.49, $199; $200; $300 (laser);

20" weights in increasing order: $128.50; $132; $140; $175
20" prices in increasing order: 2267g*, 2595g, 2835g, 3020g

* That weight of 2267g on the lightest 20" needs more investigation as it doesn't fit the weight patterns. It is my database but with a tag "suspect low weight".

@blueshadow Yes some day we'll get together to bring all the data together into a new summary for all the changes and models. Not this week. :wacko:
 

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@blueshadow Yes some day we'll get together to bring all the data together into a new summary for all the changes and models. Not this week. :wacko:


Some day maybe we can meet in person, my wife wants to go to NZ to drink wine, her favorite is Sauvignon Blanc from NZ ....don't know when or if it will ever happen though.
Oh and I found a video from Hazelshould of a 16" K custom the other day when I was browsing 16" rides of course I can't find it now

edit: found the video
 


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