Old mystery one sizzle china splash - sounds amazing - help identifying

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Can anyone identify this cymbal.. There are no markings visible.... It sounds great.

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That high bell is an Italian thing, isn't it?
Lathing shows on the bottom, looks sanded or scraped on the top?
Has this been to Lance's shop? You know the cymbal project guy, Lance Campeau.
 

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That high bell is an Italian thing, isn't it?
Lathing shows on the bottom, looks sanded or scraped on the top?
Has this been to Lance's shop? You know the cymbal project guy, Lance Campeau.
I thought so as well, but I don’t see the tell tale swirl marks around the bell hole from the roto. casting method. That’s not conclusive, but it’s all I got!

This is a mystery...
 

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I have had this for a little over 15 years...I don't know anything about it.
I thought the bell looks Italian-ish but no tell tale Roto casting like premier player and jimmysticks has said.
It looks maybe 1940's to me , it's old , but I just don't even know what era for sure . No stamp to date it .
 

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I thought so as well, but I don’t see the tell tale swirl marks around the bell hole from the roto. casting method. That’s not conclusive, but it’s all I got!

This is a mystery...
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no they're uni-rolled.
individual cast's are
hammered flat ..by hand...(and arm..) hammered in bell ..no machine cross-roll
B20 but uni-rolled. Actually not rolled at all; they're hammered into shape period. Maybe rolled once one-way..If the shop had a machine..
Cross-roll strengthens B20. (from a machine-a roller machine) (that's new for Chinese cymbals) Wuhan old days- no do. Extreme manual labor.
 
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Love the sounds one can get from these.
Mine sounds more like the first small cymbal but mine is 11" and lathing on the bottom. I'm searching for pics of this type to see the bottom of these but we're narrowing it down I think.
Looks Chinese made but maybe ordered from an American company ? with lathing on the bottom like Ludwig did with paiste , zildjian did with UFIP .etc
 

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no they're uni-rolled.
individual cast's are
hammered flat ..by hand...(and arm..) hammered in bell ..no machine cross-roll
B20 but uni-rolled. Actually not rolled at all; they're hammered into shape period. Maybe rolled once one-way..If the shop had a machine..
Cross-roll strengthens B20. (from a machine-a roller machine) (that's new for Chinese cymbals) Wuhan old days- no do. Extreme manual labor.
So this might not be that old?
So now I need to find a pic of the bottom... If it has lathing then that solves it. Thx
 

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So this might not be that old?
I think it is. 30s 40s maybe 20s.

on the other hand yes they could have been producing these ceremonial cymbals in the seventies.
I'd like to see hold etc in person.
There'a section on ebay "pre-1930's" where you'll see similar sometimes antique non-music stores come across them I notice

nothing would have changed design method of manufacture from the 20s to the 70s..so
 

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So this might not be that old?
So now I need to find a pic of the bottom... If it has lathing then that solves it. Thx
Modern manufactured cymbals here. Just check product specs for size.

 

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I don't see any modern ones (so far) with upturned edges though. So definitive it ain't !
 

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the picture in post 11 hints at a little upturn.
One thing you don't want to do. Is to search down the back alleys of China over the net. You'll be organ harvesting
 


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