OT - Can we just stop with the GOAT sports comparisons?

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What, no Wilt? His skills from the mid-50's to mid-60's were unmatched by anyone of his era....and probably up to the 1990's and beyond. 50 pts per game and 25 rpg for an entire season. At his peak he had more strength than Shaquille, more grace
and agility than Kareem, and more power/speed as LaBron. Recall that Wilt as a 7 ft center could and did dribble the ball all the way up the floor with University of Kansas. Wilt was a true freak of nature. The other bests of their era were just great - not freaks.
Wilt was arguably a world class decathlete in college with minimal training - sprints - middle distance 1/4 and 1/2 miles - jumps - throwing.....he did it all.
I’ll take the three I listed over Wilt. Obviously he’s an all-time great, but if you bring Wilt into the discussion, you have to acknowledge Bill Russell. For all of Wilt’s statistical accolades, Russell won the championships and has a resume just as impressive.

To me, that’s a weird era because of the small number of teams and the level of talent in the league at the time.
 

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Uh... maybe I am late to the game...

Or maybe I do not watch enough sports...

GOAT is an acronym, right?

Great On A Tambourine?

Gosh, I didn't know Tom Brady played tambourine.
 

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It was a lot harder to quarterback when your receivers were allowed to be mauled by defensive backs and offensive linemen could not extend their arms to block on passing plays. Prior to the 1978 passing rules change, if a quarterback hit on 52% of his passes, he was an all-pro. Today, a quarterback with those numbers could not even find work as a backup.
And in baseball, Barry Bonds might be the home run king, but even putting aside the PED argument, he never had to hit in places like the Polo Grounds where center field was 483 feet from home plate. The warning track fly ball hit by Vic Wertz in the 1954 World Series when Willie Mays made his iconic catch would have been a monster home run in every single park today.
Nor did Barry bonds play in Boston with Fenway Park and the Green Monster. I have seen numerous games there in my day as well on tv, and have seen plenty of screamers that in most other parks would land in a different time zone, at Fenway it can turn into a single OR worse, batter tries to stretch it into a double
and gets gunned down by the likes of Yaz, nobody played that wall like him.
 

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Bob Gibson caused the mound to be lowered

Drysdale did to
Even so I think the pitchers of the 60s were way better than today
Bob Gibson a tour de force, pitched 3 complete games in the 67 WS
and 28 complete games in 68 with a unheard of 1.12 ERA
Nobody has even come close to those stats today, pitch 6-7 innings ERA of under 3.5
you are considered a prime pitcher.

I think Juan Marichal and Warren Spahn pitched against each other for like 15 innings.
again unheard of today. and the mound has nothing to do with stamina.

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god.........think of hank aaron or willie mays on steroids!!!!...........the infielders would have to wear catcher's gear!!!

anyway a funny antinote about that day from the guy who pitched to vic wertz

Wertz was the only batter Liddle faced that day. Reportedly, he commented after the game was over in the locker room, "Well, I got my man", joking about his good fortune and Mays' athletic performance.[1
Well ball players may not have been using g steroids, but they sure as heck were taking uppers to drive themselves. Greenies were all over the leagues in the 70’s.
 

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Even so I think the pitchers of the 60s were way better than today
Bob Gibson a tour de force, pitched 3 complete games in the 67 WS
and 28 complete games in 68 with a unheard of 1.12 ERA
Nobody has even come close to those stats today, pitch 6-7 innings ERA of under 3.5
you are considered a prime pitcher.

I think Juan Marichal and Warren Spahn pitched against each other for like 15 innings.
again unheard of today. and the mound has nothing to do with stamina.

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AGREED! Remember when an ERA was under 2.0? Today you can lead the league pitching about 6 innings every start and having an era over 3.5. And relievers? Everybody is a specialist. ‘This guy pitches only to lefty batters whose height is under 6’0” on Wednesday evenings before sunset provided the stands are 75% full and there are no clouds in the sky.’ Ridiculous!
 

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Why is there any talk of sports on a drum post? Who cares about overpaid sports players anyway? Don't you all work as hard at your craft as they do?
 

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I think comparing two active players can be silly to an extent as well. I really only watch hockey, and I'm a bigger fan of goalies and defensemen positions. That being said, I laugh at fellow fans who think we're getting the best goalie in the word, we still get scored on a ton, and then the goalie leaves and does just fine somewhere else. The difference is the other teams had a halfway decent defense. Now, I do tease our current goalie. He's no slouch, but his salary crippled our ability to get a defense. So if he thinks he's worth the pay of 7 people, then by all means, play good enough to be 7 people.

But yeah, comparing two athletes generations apart when the sport itself has completely changed is even more ridiculous. Mark Sptiz vs Michael Phelps is a good example of that. When Spitz swam, his competition would casually do a few laps a few times a week. Modern day recreation league kids swim more than Olympians did back then. Could Sptiz have done what he did with actual competition? Maybe. He'd definitely have had to lose the sweet mustache though. I still think it's silly to compare the two. Other than dominating everyone while being wet and mostly naked, nothing else is similar between their accomplishments.
 

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Why is there any talk of sports on a drum post? Who cares about overpaid sports players anyway? Don't you all work as hard at your craft as they do?

Because arguing about sports teams and players is the second oldest profession of all time lol


As always you can skip down to the drum subject of your choice
 

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I don't remember the year..68? 69 maybe?.. My dad and I are way out in right field about 20 rows up and no one is around us no one. It's the afternoon day light. Forbes field. I can see Roberto. I can hear him. I can hear him put his hands on his knees and look way into home plate waiting for the pitch. Crack and there it comes long fly ball to right field.
He swivels around takes a few few steps Glove straight down in front of him and the ball drops right in. effortless. Caught it. Throws it all the way to third what ever.
had him all to myself that day.

later that year I met all the 69 Pirates at a banquet



my little Maz claim to fame story are (2). One he lived (until just recently the house was sold) 3 miles thru the woods from me (4 miles if you took the road) behind Lincoln Heights. I knew the house but I was never there and not sure how often he was there anyway.
2) At a gig he was there. And I made sure to get a look at him. This was later years in the 90s, And he was still the cat's meow.
You know he used to go horizontally mostly to the right but either way and catch line drives. Elevated horizontally. He maneuvered himself airborne.

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da,mn,
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ps beautiful home simple see those woods
 
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last 3 innings
(I was only 4 before my time) but fun watch
 
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If we're talking GOAT in the modern era of athletics it's pretty much Jim Thorpe. For his athletic feats performed in the pre-1930's and pre-1920's he was declared in 1950 the greatest athlete of the first HALF CENTURY....and the greatest football player.
He basically was a post-1950's athlete in a 1910-1920's world. And wasn't forgotten as in 2000 ABC's Wide World of Sports named him the "Athlete of the Century." Thorpe is really the only GOAT.

Thorpe competed at the "professional" level in multiple sports......football, baseball, track and field decathlon, basketball, lacrosse, and ball room dancing. He was highly skilled at handball, tennis, boxing and even horse breaking/riding.
His amazing record in the 1912 decathlon wasn't bettered until the 1932/1948 Olympics. Some of his individual running and jumping events in the 1912 decathlon weren't bettered by other decathletes until the 1948 Olympics.
His feats in 1912 are even more noteworthy considering he had little training in several of those events. And being an American Indian at that time didn't help him any in trying to achieve success in national and world sports.
Bo Jackson is one athlete of our era that brings back the freakish skills of a Jim Thorpe. Unfortunately, the ability to spread out and be multi-faceted is nearly impossible in today's world of specialized sports, advertising, contracts, etc.
Thorpe was a trail blazer who helped bring track and pro-football into the American limelight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Thorpe

 
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