Paiste 2002 20" Ride, 2409g, $120 shipped. Circa 1981 to 1986 Red Label, s/n begins with 1. I purchased this around 2003. There is keyholing with two hairline cracks and some rough spots on the edge which were there when I purchased it. I used if for a few years and then moved on to other ride cymbals. Just cleaned with BKF and sealed with Pledge but there are some corrosion spots that were too difficult to remove. With all its issues, it is still a Paiste 2002 20" ride cymbal. If you want to see what all the fuss is about with a Paiste 2002 or if you want one for your practice room, this is better than paying around $200 which is what ones in perfect condition are selling for on eBay. See pictures, ask questions. Thanks!