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After my recent acquisition of a new 22” 602 medium ride, and being a flat ride lover that I am, I thought it would be cool to add an 18” 602 Thin flat to go along with the medium ride (having several flats, none of them are Paiste). However, after listening to several sound samples, I think I like the 18” 2002 flat over the 602 - brighter and with what sounds like a better crash (which we know can be challenging for a flat). Because I cannot find neither of these locally it would need to be an online purchase, relying on sound samples. Anyone with experience they can share is appreciated.
 

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I've got a 18" 2002 flat ride and it's a great cymbal.
Bright and with ok crash sound, IMO, even if I only use it as a ride...
 

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I own a 20" 2oo2 flat ride, IMO the perfect sound as it doesn't have that nasty droning that some B20 flat rides have (specially when you play them near the edge or crash them). Try to find one used/vintage, the highs will be mellowed out a bit, but even new I think it's a good choice, great stick attack without interfering or contradicting overtones, just a pleasantly defined sound.
 

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These days, Paiste is flat ride heaven! I think all of them, maybe with the exception of the 2002, might vary quite a bit, so buying by soundfile is a good idea.
Then there is Sabina with the Royalty flat which was based on Roy Haynes's 18".
 

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I played a few of the 602 Thin Flatrides at Good Hands (the former Steve Maxwell’s) here in NYC yesterday. I hadn’t played the Thins before and they were surprisingly light - very thin and wispy with a nice soft crash. I loved them, but I think the 602 Medium Flat or a 2002 Flat would work better for most people, unless you’re playing super quiet acoustic music,
 

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Thanks for the replies / confirmations, everyone. Really wish I had an opportunity to try them at hand, but still sounds like I can't go wrong with these. Going to continue to listen to a many sound samples/videos as possible.
 

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I own a 20" 2oo2 flat ride, IMO the perfect sound as it doesn't have that nasty droning that some B20 flat rides have (specially when you play them near the edge or crash them). Try to find one used/vintage, the highs will be mellowed out a bit, but even new I think it's a good choice, great stick attack without interfering or contradicting overtones, just a pleasantly defined sound.
I know this droning sound you speak of. My Boshphorus 19" Turk flat has that pronounced underlying hum when playing too close to the edge and crashing that can be annoying at times. I understand this is a characteristic of flats, but some are less pronounced that others. This Turk flat though is pretty severe.
 

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These days, Paiste is flat ride heaven! I think all of them, maybe with the exception of the 2002, might vary quite a bit, so buying by soundfile is a good idea.
Then there is Sabina with the Royalty flat which was based on Roy Haynes's 18".

I look into the Royalty flat - thanks for the tip.
 

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I had a 602 flat ride which I used outside of my band for depping gigs. It was a nice cymbal but didn’t get played enough. 40 years on and I saw it again in a store! I knew this as the guy who pxd it bought it off the guy I sold it to. It sounded great, just very quiet compared to the bigger Paistes I use today.
If I was buying another flat ride it would be a 2002, no question as it’s a bit louder and has some sort of crash to it
 

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I acquired an 18" 602 flat and it's what the doctor ordered for those light touches that are needed for some ballads. She is everything opposite of what my 26" Giant Beat is; both have room in my set up.
 

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I have 16", 18", and 20" Paiste 602 flats - I love them all and they get used a lot. But the 2002s are just as good, in some ways better because of a little added sparkle. The 20" 2002 flats, at least the old black labels, are also very consistent and can be found at a reasonable price.
 

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I have 16", 18", and 20" Paiste 602 flats - I love them all and they get used a lot. But the 2002s are just as good, in some ways better because of a little added sparkle. The 20" 2002 flats, at least the old black labels, are also very consistent and can be found at a reasonable price
Agree. For a recent recording, I was toying around with a variety of cymbals and ended up using a 20" 2002 flat along with a 19" DE Crash (small notch, rivets). This was never a set up that I planned on using going in, but they just sounded so right together that I couldn't not use them.
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After my recent acquisition of a new 22” 602 medium ride, and being a flat ride lover that I am, I thought it would be cool to add an 18” 602 Thin flat to go along with the medium ride (having several flats, none of them are Paiste). However, after listening to several sound samples, I think I like the 18” 2002 flat over the 602 - brighter and with what sounds like a better crash (which we know can be challenging for a flat). Because I cannot find neither of these locally it would need to be an online purchase, relying on sound samples. Anyone with experience they can share is appreciated.

I have an 18 and 20 602. If I just had to go with one, it'd be the 20. If you can find a SC 20 flat, buy it!
 

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I also have a Meinl 24" flat I picked up a PASIC a few years ago - it is a serious instrument. Might be a Byzance; I'll have to check.
 

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I've owned flats over the years. A few Agops one with a very deep bowl shaped profile and a few Paiste 20" Blue Label mediums. Pretty much the quintessential flat. I now have a silky smooth 22" Sabian hammered prototype that covers it.
Between the 18 or 20" I'd go with the 20.
 

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I had a 602 flat ride which I used outside of my band for depping gigs. It was a nice cymbal but didn’t get played enough. 40 years on and I saw it again in a store! I knew this as the guy who pxd it bought it off the guy I sold it to. It sounded great, just very quiet compared to the bigger Paistes I use today.
If I was buying another flat ride it would be a 2002, no question as it’s a bit louder and has some sort of crash to it
Take it back….I got this dude today. A vintage 18” 602 Thin. Quite a deep sound for an 18” with a little bit of crash to it. It’s going to be a very playable cymbal for me when Im rehearsing. I’ve put a couple of hours on it already !
 

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I had an 18” and a 20” 2002 (unfortunately traded them both argh!) and now have an 18” 602 medium. All are very fine cymbals. The 2002’s are more shimmery and have a natural sizzle. The 18” was a great little cymbal. I’m sorry I sold it. The 602 is drier and more woody. There is more click to the sound. It carries nicely being a medium. For my purposes I think a thin would be too light. I have a Bosphorus masters 19” flat that fills that roll. I often think of it this way. The 18” 602 med flat is a good alternate ride (ie. A three ride setup) in a multi horn or guitar based group. It also works well in large rooms. The Bos 19” flat, an overall thinner lighter cymbal like the 18” 602 thin, is great in quiet situations ie. Piano trio or very small spaces. Incidentally I had an 18” Paiste signature flat with three rivets that was an outstanding cymbal. It worked great as a main ride in a blues and early rock trio I was playing with. It had that dry flat sound but a very clear higher pitch that cut through without a lot of overtones. I gifted that one to a friend. But he loves it.
 


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