Pick a Big band ride

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Out of the following rides, which would you choose or feel could cut it for a large 18 piece big band playing swing.

20 paiste trad medium
20 paiste 602 medium (reissue)
20 zildjian medium ride (post 2013) 2290g
20 zildjian medium ride (60's era and much darker than the new one)
22 Paiste masters dark ride
21 paiste DE MarkII
22 k dark medium

And if you could pick any ride for such a purpose what would it be.
 
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I had a 22 K Dark Medium for a while and thought that would make the perfect big band ride, but in the end it just didn't feel like it had quite enough articulation to really cut through/drive a band. YMMV though.
 

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I've used all three ( 7 being an old K.)
most big bands 20" is enough
old As old Ks maybe one with rivets maybe one without. Swing.
(I mean unless you think you really are special).
22s -sometimes- you got problems being too dark or even too quiet (unlively) laborious and slow.
want to strike a Happy medium.
Bud. ; )
 
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20 paiste trad medium
20 zildjian medium ride (60's era and much darker than the new one)
Not knowing how these really sound of course.
I would choose something with a bit of meat to it, but also some lower pitch /complexity. The 602 and reissue A might work, but the sound might be a bit narrow/bright sounding.
The Dark Medium should work as a ride, but I also like to crash the main cymbal with big band and that one might be too gongy, with a long sustain. I have a beautiful 22"Agop around 2650g I've used with good success, but the decay on the crash is a bit too long. I haven't had any big band gigs for years, but I would now choose a 21" Impression I got in the meantime. Similar pitch but shorter decay.

I once made a playlist of those of my cymbals I would consider, the brighter ones in the beginning would be candidates for secodary/left side cymbal or additional crash, the 21 and 22 I mentioned are further down the list (#11 and #12)
https://soundcloud.com/seb234%2Fsets%2Fbig-band-cymbals
 

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Looks like both 20" A's will be in my bag. maybe the trad medium too. I'll know better when i start to play.
Sizzle or rivets on the main ride acceptable ?
 

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I can vouch for the 602 medium, as I use my black label one ( in good clean condition) for big band, like someone else said I find the zildjian k rides don't cut through enough. My latest is a used 21" Sabian hhx groove ride and it's the best I've had yet, defo a keeper and this is THE ONE at last. Importantly It is the only darkish sounding ride that cuts through. Which Sabian call 'sound projecting technology'
 

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all good suggestions. Thing about cymbals.. You don't want your head and mind to end and stop at what is at the end of your arm....... You want to see beyond ...past the cymbal....whatever cymbal it is, you want to Go Beyond It. Get out over it..
don't wanna be stuck 3 ft from where you sit.. See over It.

It'll do it's job. Your mind is over it -on the other side---on to the band.
Too many get stopped at the distance of the cymbal. To almost neurosis level.
You must leap past it.
Any cymbal that draws undue attention to it - keeps you from seeing beyond it.
It's ideally just a 'note' target with a sound You leap over.
Too much navel-dwelling
while not-noticing the Mack Truck that's coming down the street
leads to short life (ha

It's not only play what you like, it's like what you play..
 
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Looks like both 20" A's will be in my bag. maybe the trad medium too. I'll know better when i start to play.
Sizzle or rivets on the main ride acceptable ?
I use a sizzle chain on my old 22" A. Our band does Green Haze and, man, that long sustaining sizzle that sounds like rain, durning ceratain passages in the song, is the jam! The song is played with brushes. Hitting the A with the brush makes the cymbal oscillate just long enough to keep the chain bouncing to sustain the sizzle and playing time with the brush just keeps it going and going. It's a very cool effect.
 

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And if you could pick any ride for such a purpose what would it be.
Big Band candidates from my pile:

21" Sabian AA Bash ride
21" UFIP Experience series Vintage ride
20" Abrahim Diril D-series

All project well, are full-bodied + exhibit sufficient ping and crash-ability
 

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The last thing I would ever want in a big band ride is ping or high pitch

I want wash, dark, woody, low pitch and crashable so it blends and plays under/in the band.

Think
Mel Lewis
Jeff Hamilton
Papa Jo Jones
John Riley
 

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The last thing I would ever want in a big band ride is ping or high pitch

I want wash, dark, woody, low pitch and crashable so it blends and plays under/in the band.

Think
Mel Lewis
Jeff Hamilton
Papa Jo Jones
John Riley
My scdr with 2 rivets and my 22 oriental china trash at 2111 grams work really well in a big band.

Im favoring Vater Jimmy Cobb sticks or Zildjian John Riley model or Erskine ride.
 

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My scdr with 2 rivets and my 22 oriental china trash at 2111 grams work really well in a big band.

Im favoring Vater Jimmy Cobb sticks or Zildjian John Riley model or Erskine ride.
Would you say the paiste DE mk2 would also work ? I think it might be in the same ballpark as the scdr.
 

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Yes!
I had one. Loved it.
Stick is icier..i would put a couple rivets ala Mel Lewis Ride...at 1 and 3 o'clock.

Experiment with sticks.

One of my best big band rides was a 1960s old A with 2 rivets. About 2000 grams. 20"

It was great.

Just enough wash. Really unimpressive ride...but that was the beauty...nothing radical.

I should have kept it. Got it for $150.

Im pretty sure someone here bought it.

This was 5 years ago maybe.

Also a 22" pre aged dry light ride.
Trumpet player said "thats best ride Ive ever heard"

Anything but a rock cymbal or super light bosphorus masters or agop signature.

Dont go for extremes.

All my opinion. But ive been in a big band for 11 years...
 

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