nomsgmusic, excellent memory! The Pre-Aged line was launched in 1994, I believe. We did a photo shoot with a bunch of artists at the MD Festival for the ad to support the launch and I recall it being 1994, but could be wrong. I’m sure someone can verify. Pre-Aged Ks were great cymbals and the first attempt to replicate the original “Turkish K” sound.If I remember correctly, the original Pre Aged K's came out in the early 90's. They came out of a guy at the Zildjian factory named "Charlie." Charlie made cymbals for Zildjian endorsers (exclusively?) and those were affectionately referred to as "Charlie Customs." If I remember they didn't have any ink on them at all.
I do recall that hey were never stamped or marked as such. I played a bunch and was offered some to buy (from a few endorsers,) but never found a "GREAT one." Only a Zildjiam "insider" (or longtime endorser) could confirm this info. I think I am remembering it correctly.
But I believe those "Charlie Customs" evolved into "Pre-Aged," they disappeared for a while and then came back as these "Pre-aged Customs."
Maybe Johnny D can confirm my memory on these.
1991 or 92 seems more likely:I recall it being 1994, but could be wrong. I’m sure someone can verify.
1991 or 92 seems more likely:
Some infor on the PADL in here:
anyone know the years Z made the K Jazz ride model i know they were made during EAK time and 90's anyone know specific years ? any with serial #'s feel free to educatewww.drumforum.org
Thanks guys. I'm slipping with my human calendar abilities! lol I wouldn't have guessed 1991, only because we launched the A Customs in the fall of '91, and officially at NAMM '92, but I can't argue with the facts.The Pre-Aged Rides came out in 1991 - MD reviewed it in June of 91 and they mentioned that it was debuted at NAMM that year. I also remember that Tommy Campbell had one when I was taking lessons with him that same year.
Yes, but no real question from me. I was just trying to offer the fellas some background (which I think-hope is accurate) to the Pre Aged Dark cymbal that was mentioned. Those "Charlie Customs" were THE buzz for a while. I never met Charlie, but have fond memories of Leon Chiapinni teaching-assisting me a couple of times in how to choose a cymbal in the selection room. GREAT times!nomsgmusic, excellent memory! The Pre-Aged line was launched in 1994, I believe. We did a photo shoot with a bunch of artists at the MD Festival for the ad to support the launch and I recall it being 1994, but could be wrong. I’m sure someone can verify. Pre-Aged Ks were great cymbals and the first attempt to replicate the original “Turkish K” sound.
The guy you’re referring to is Charlie Yannizzi who ran the factory at the time. This was before Paul was making cymbals. He was a lathe operator. There were a couple of other pretty good cymbal makers in those days, who later moved on.
Charlie did make some one-off cymbals for endorsers, which were variations of what we already had. And we only did it for a few artists as long as it didn’t interrupt production. It was more labor intensive and far less automated in those days. Those cymbals may well have evolved into the Pre-Aged line. That sounds right. Peter Erskine, Adam Nussbaum, John Riley and Bill Stewart (who I had just signed around ‘93 or ‘94) were always chasing the “Turkish K” sound. They were amongst the endorsers who helped develop and field test them. Maybe Tony too, but I can’t remember.
Charlie also worked with Vinnie when he came to the factory in 1990, which led to the development of the A Customs.
Does this answers your question?