Price Cut! Mixed Bag 50s Zildjian 800g 14” Hats - VIDEO DEMO

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Both 800g and 14” diameter. The 60s pie has 7/16” hole (hello Zenstat?) and one flea bite. It also has 2 interesting casting artifacts that you can see were just lathed right through.
The 50s small stamp (late 50s type “B” I believe) has one tiny edge ding and no flea bites. The hole is not round and is slightly oversized however, this is mostly from vertical distortion. Probably from clutch push and pull. I couldn’t get a decent shot of that but it is not severe and this is the lower pitch of the 2 which I have used as the bottom since I got them many years ago. They have served me well for jazz gigs but it’s time for someone else to enjoy their sloshy dark yumminess.

VIDEO HERE: https://www.dropbox.com/s/aavl1mgtthv2we2/50s60shats.MOV?dl=0

$180 plus shipping from 98408. Thanks for looking and be sure to tip your waitress.
Dave
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I'll need to call in Cliff on this one as well. That 60s looking stamp in combination with a slightly smaller than 1/2" mounting hole is something Cliff and I are always on the lookout for. Depending on which explanation you subscribe to it represents
  1. a cymbal produced but not trademark stamped around 1957 or 1958 which sat in the vault until 1961 or 1962 when a tester selected it to fill and order, at which point it got stamped with the trademark in use at that time (60s).
  2. a cymbal produced around 1954 and stamped with a trademark die stamp which looks nearly identical to the 60s stamp. So much so, it might have been the 60s trademark stamp die which was in use for a short time, then put away for some years until 1961 or 1962 when it came back out.
or some other explanation which either melds those two or comes up with some other approach. I favor the first explanation. I presume that the 60s looking trademark is about the same height as the SSB? I have yet to some across the taller 1.5" 60s trademark on one of these "might have been made in the 50s" cymbals.
 

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I'll need to call in Cliff on this one as well. That 60s looking stamp in combination with a slightly smaller than 1/2" mounting hole is something Cliff and I are always on the lookout for. Depending on which explanation you subscribe to it represents
  1. a cymbal produced but not trademark stamped around 1957 or 1958 which sat in the vault until 1961 or 1962 when a tester selected it to fill and order, at which point it got stamped with the trademark in use at that time (60s).
  2. a cymbal produced around 1954 and stamped with a trademark die stamp which looks nearly identical to the 60s stamp. So much so, it might have been the 60s trademark stamp die which was in use for a short time, then put away for some years until 1961 or 1962 when it came back out.
or some other explanation which either melds those two or comes up with some other approach. I favor the first explanation. I presume that the 60s looking trademark is about the same height as the SSB? I have yet to some across the taller 1.5" 60s trademark on one of these "might have been made in the 50s" cymbals.
The stamp is about 31mm or just shy of 1 1/4 tall.
 

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Hi squidart. With the 60's pie, would you mind to make a pic of the bell showing it from the side? We might have something here.
 

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Hi squidart. With the 60's pie, would you mind to make a pic of the bell showing it from the side? We might have something here.
Sure Cliff. The first pic is the 60s. Second is the 50s which has the vertical hole distortion and is on the bottom in the video. A skilled cymbalsmith could remedy that but it hasn’t been an issue for me.

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We can see the bell types are different and the "60's" lathing seems to be early 50's (usually trans 3). But, there isn't enough clear evidence to say one way or another. I'd say "54" just by a 7/16" hole, but overall it's a guess. Might find more if it was in my hand. Smaller cymbals are harder to tell.
 

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Just to add... As to any "54" cymbal, 7/16 vs. 1/2 size is the key. Never seen an SSB with a 7/16 hole (many SSA's do). Doesn't mean there aren't any, but at this point, after measured hundreds of SSB holes (many on ebay) I haven't found one. If that's the case, a 60's stamp with a 7/16 hole would have to be a "54". I use the name 54 (not 1954) because we really don't know what year that could truly be.
 
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