Replicating Bruford's '78 Roto Tom kit

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APelletier said:
Waiting for a Roto Tom mount and the basic shell kit is complete. Now to start rounding up the 602's and 2002's! Thanks to DFO member, Ely for this sweet 602 medium ride with rivet holes, Just as Professor Bruford used predominantly in his 77 -78-mix of cymbals.
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The project to date - Decided to add some modern embellishments on this project, such as Gibraltar Stealth rack and mounts and an INDe suspension tom mount on the 8 x 12 Ludwig tom. The 18" Roto Tom will be mounted on the left side Stealth rack and Gibralter ball and L arm, using an old school Remo AD 100 Universal Adapter, just as the 14" Roto Tom is mounted to the 14 x 22 Ludwig bass drum post mount assembly. Cymbals will be mounted with a mix of freestanding and Stealth rack mounted cymbal stands.

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One of the snags I ran into was how to keep the Roto tom frame from bottoming out on the L-arm on the ludwig post mount assembly. The L-arm was too tall to get the tom to a comfortable personal height (Bruford's a pretty tall dude, me on the other hand... not so much). In the first 2 pictures, you can see how close the L-arm is to the bottom of the Roto Tom Frame. In Bruford's B/W photo (3rd photo), you can see how he cut the L-arm down to remedy this problem. I bought a sacrificial Ludwig L-arm on eBay and went to town with a hacksaw and a file to get the desired end-result as shown in the last pic. Piece of cake and the Roto Tom can now be positioned to my personal, custom height.

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Couldn't you have turned the L arm around? Long arm in holder short in bracket?
 

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mesazoo said:
Couldn't you have turned the L arm around? Long arm in holder short in bracket?
Tried it... then the long end was bottoming out against the post and it was placing the roto tom too far off to the left. The L-arm I modified was bought off eBay for this specific purpose. The other 2 original L-arms are tucked away in my parts bin, should I ever sell the Ludwig as a shell kit.
 

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Thanks guys! Should have the old school AD 100 Universal Mount in on Friday so I can set up that big old 18" Roto Tom! Thanks to Chuck (AKA Geardaddy) for digging one up from the bottom of his parts bin! So much great help from the good folks on this site... can't thank you all enough for helping me see this project through!
 

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Progress update: 18" Roto Tom mounted, 20" 602 and temporary China added. I noticed in the pics of Bill's '77 - '78 kit, looks like he used a Slingerland high hat stand?

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Bruford tribute kit to date... Cymbal set up includes 2 brand new Paiste Formula 602 thin crashes that have just enough weight variance to give them each their own tone voice. There's a vintage 20" Paiste Formula 602 medium ride with rivets. The hats are vintage 15" Meinl Dragon crash and 15" Sabian Symphonic french. They are a beautiful pairing and I'm not at all unhappy with them... just that eventually I'd like to replace them with vintage 15" Paiste Sound Edge 2002's that were Bill's go-tos for many years. The splash atop the left-side 16" 602 is a 10" Amedia Classic which is also great, but eventually I'd like to replace it with Bill's 11" Paiste 2002 splash... they are pretty rare and don't pop up very often. The china is an old Wuhan I threw in temporarily until I find a 20" Paiste 2002 china. Drums are:

1971, 6.5 x 14 Ludwig Supersensitive snare

14 x 22 Bass, 8 x 12 tom and 16 x 16 floor tom are:
1977-78, Ludwig 6 ply in Natural Maple Thermogloss

Vintage 14" and 18" Remo Roto Toms, which gave Bruford his distinct voice during the latter 70's.

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Newest addition to the Bruford '77-'78 tribute kit, thanks to DFO member Michiganice91... The 18" wuhan will be replaced with this gorgeous vintage 20" Paiste 602 china at 2007g. According to the Bruford equipment list for this era he was using a 20" 2002 china, but I've seen video from the King Crimson era where he was playing a 20" riveted china with traditional bell as a left side crash, which would indicate a 602 china, opposed to the 2002 china with a squarish cup for a bell. Looking forward to setting it up and giving it a whirl!

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The Amedia Classic 10" Splash has now been replaced with an 11" 2002 red label Splash, which is more in line with Bruford's cymbal lineup for the target era of '77/'78. More accurately, the replacement should be a black label 2002 11" splash, but I've found they don't pop up very often, so I'm pleased to have added this splash with the help of DFO member, Spongebob.
Another recent addition is the Slingerland Buddy Rich hi-hat stand which was Bill's go-to for many years.

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Cool, man.
I'm new to this thread and have loved the progression thus far.
What's left?
 

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Cool to see what my cymbal is being used for. Love the project and updates.

I have a ton of vintage Black Label 2002s, 22+20 rides and 16+18 crashes. I do have the hats you desire but I'm not in the market to sell them just yet (they're 15" SE Rock Hats)
 

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Very interesting thread! That first UK record is one of the all time best prog records ever made for sure. I thought more roto toms would have been involved. Haha!
Also, the sizzle ride he used on that record does sound amazing. I always loved the sound of it. At one point I thought it might have been a flat? Great that you're building this kit. Can’t beat that natural maple finish!
 

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Cool, man.
I'm new to this thread and have loved the progression thus far.
What's left?
Pretty much the 2002 Black label Sound Edge hats will be the crowning touch. I wish I could have found the vintage 602 16" thin crashes and the 11" black label 2002 splash, but I'm sure they would be real tough for anyone to part with. I got really good deals on the 2 new 602 thin crashes through Reverb. Pretty much a 2 for one deal! I'll keep me eyes open for the real deal, however!
 
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Very interesting thread! That first UK record is one of the all time best prog records ever made for sure. I thought more roto toms would have been involved. Haha!
Also, the sizzle ride he used on that record does sound amazing. I always loved the sound of it. At one point I thought it might have been a flat? Great that you're building this kit. Can’t beat that natural maple finish!
An absolutely amazing album that was just jaw dropping when I was a 13/14 year old budding drummer. The song I bet you're talking about would be "Alaska"'s 2nd movement, "Time to Kill". Such a beautiful glassy ride with tons of stick that was captured on that recording! He used so many different cymbals (he's quoted as saying, "a garage-full") it would be tough to nail down which he was using. For all we know it just may have been a Paiste Flat Ride.
 
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