Ringo's Cymbals- a timeline

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It's the sound I hear you..) literally.. (On your youtube take ) got cha
 

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That is a 50's Stambul (Paiste origin) that I found online and used it to compare to Ringo's 20" from the early Beatles era. I own Ajax cymbals with the big bell but recently, the lathing views on some of these photos as well as hearing the sound at the end of the song, Please Please Me, lead me to believe it was a paiste cymbal. Ludwig Paiste 3 stars made in Germany at one time also had the giant bells but the Stambul sounds the best.
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The Paiste NS12 Stambul was their top of the line cymbal from the 1930's up until the development of the B20 "Super" Formula 602 in 1957 ("super" was dropped in 1959), after that it was a second tier cymbal, it was made from B8 starting in 1971 as part of "the great B8 shift" of all of Paiste's lower line cymbals and simultaneously: the introduction of the 2002.
All the Paiste "Ludwig" cymbals were rebranded Stambul's! Here's a quote from a 2006 Robert Paiste interview:
"R.P.: We first sold the Stambul series of nickel silver to Ludwig (Ludwig "3 star & Ludwig standard" cymbals). These were the exact same cymbals that were sold in Europe.
Later they wanted the Formula 602 as well, but they said they weren't thin enough for the American market, they wanted them even thinner."
 
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I don't get why I'm way more obsessed now about what Ringo used than I ever was in the past, and this video didn't help matters...

Ok (sorry I erased because I saw the Stambul stamp on it)
What threw me was this. Ajax.


On our Right (his left)..
@GiantBeater (sorry for erasing
Wow, those are awesome sounding cymbals! I really loved the hi hats and Ajax ride. It makes me want to start a thread on my Tyrko nickel-silver hi hats to find out more about them. They're my only set but I love them like no other I've ever heard. Not too loud when you use the pedal, really hefty with a stick.
 

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It's great to have this level of investigative work looking at the final mystery of Ringo's equipment.

I can recall a very heated thread from years ago, probably back on the old DCI forum, mentioning the rivets in Ringo's cymbal and getting shot down because "Ringo never used any riveted cymbals". Even a photo wasn't persuasive enough.

We've come a long way baby....
 
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It's great to have this level of investigative work looking at the final mystery of Ringo's equipment.

I can recall a very heated thread from years ago, probably back on the old DCI forum, mentioning the rivets in Ringo's cymbal and getting shot down because "Ringo never used any riveted cymbals". Even a photo wasn't persuasive enough.

We've come a long way baby....
That thread lead to my permanent ban from the DCI forum. I got into it with some know it all with the last name Butz and lost my cool and was promptly booted.
 

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@michaelg those could go (already there) in the later era thread here:

I like the separation this is the early thread; the other the later;
 

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That thread lead to my permanent ban from the DCI forum. I got into it with some know it all with the last name Butz and lost my cool and was promptly booted.
Yeah, that guy...not a fan.
 

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Just to add to the conversation here is my Zyn (18 riveted) in comparison to Ringo's riveted cymbal from AHDN.
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Similar profiles although maybe not exactly the same. I found a Zyn once at the Chicago drum show that had exactly that same profile many years ago (well before there was any notion that it might be a "Ringo cymbal") but did not buy it.

It's the "The Day the Earth Stood Still" saucer profile.

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April 1965- Italy
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May 1965- Spain. Notice the lathe line and flat profile of the 18"
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Ed Sullivan show August 1965
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Houston - August 19th 1965
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April 1965-Italy .... the photo showing the underside of the 18".....unless my eyes deceive me, that 18" has a large bell on it (perhaps 5.5" as opposed to a regular 5") which I believe is one of the indicators of a "crash ride" but not the only one.... you also mention the large bell further down in one of your posting in the July 1966 Munich photo.
 

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September 23rd 1967. Filming I am the Walrus
The return of thee 18". The cymbal in the foreground matches the flat profile of the All You need is Love cymbal, I believe it to be the 602 medium ride.
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September 25th- 1967. Recording Fool on the Hill

Not a great photo, but I am still seeing the same cymbals from I am the walrus video. Thee 18" & the 602
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November 10th 1967. Filming Hello, Goodbye

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The Ringo model sticks and the Tamba-Ching on his hats from 1971 Dallas-Arbiter catalog
Thanks for posting this. Here is an example of Ringo's Arbiter blue label pair. I think he started using these as well as the Ludwig Ringo Starr model 13A's on the '66 tour. Pro Mark would be the perfect company to remake these, they have some models similar but nothing exact.

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Also going back to the Arbiter catalog, I spy an Arbiter C on Ringo's kit... but who is playing drums?? I would love to find a pair.
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Ringo sold it along with OBP #1 kit a few years ago... Jim Irsay has it maybe?

It looks like he's got a 14" tom on that set?

BTW, watched the video, haven't seen it in long time, just noticed how many people have watched it so far!!
I wonder how much money "Apple/Beatles" make off of youtube??

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It looks like he's got a 14" tom on that set?

BTW, watched the video, haven't seen it in long time, just noticed how many people have watched it so far!!
I wonder how much money "Apple/Beatles" make off of youtube??

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The silver sparkle kit was 28 bass, 20 floor, 10X16 tom (like Ian Paice) and a 16" snare (if I remember correctly).
 


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