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Here's the video/film of them recording "hey bulldog", looks like Ringo's got his lucky 20" 602 med. ride on his left!

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Just watched the 3rd part of the Get Back documentary and noticed that during the rooftop concert, Ringo has a 3rd cymbal between the floor tom and the bass drum....what that a Paiste too or? I didn't see it when they were recording in Twickenham and the other location,
 

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Just watched the 3rd part of the Get Back documentary and noticed that during the rooftop concert, Ringo has a 3rd cymbal between the floor tom and the bass drum....what that a Paiste too or? I didn't see it when they were recording in Twickenham and the other location,

I think the consensus is that's an 18" A Zildjian
 

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Whelp, here it goes! I have been collecting the best photos I can find of Ringo's cymbals used in the Beatles and beyond. Shout out to my friend @Sabaselingrato for helping with this research. Let's start at the beginning...

Late 50's:
I believe he is using an 18" Zyn with rivets and a 20" Paiste Stambul.


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18" Zyn (or Kamala) w/ rivets & 20" Stambul comparison. We will also see that Ringo used this 20" big bell cymbal on Please Please Me & With the Beatles albums!


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Feb 1963: Recording Please Please Me

My bet is that Ringo is using: 1960 14" A Zildjian Hats - 20" Stambul - 18" ??? Possibly like the super zyn seen below with a flat profile & 1 rivet. He possibly took out the rivet before the tapes rolled. The cymbal on the record sounds dry and smooth B20. The 20" on the song please please me (specifically the ending crashes) sound remarkably like a classic Paiste shimmery cymbal rather than an Ajax cymbal- though both brands are ns12 with the big bells. I have audio from the Right channel of the ending of the song that I can post as well, and Ringo crashes with his left on PPM as seen on ed Sullivan show Feb. 1964. Ringo most likely bought his 14" A Zildjian hi hats new before the please please me recordings, it still sounds like them contrary to what I have read.

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it could also be this cymbal seen later in 1963

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October 1962-
Looks like 4 rivets were reinstalled. I am pretty sure the PPM cymbal had four rivet holes.

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Interesting shot over Little Richard's shoulder-- when the Beatles opened the night. Looks to me it is what I think is the Stambul and I would say a calfskin tom head.




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January 27- 1962- looks like the cymbal he would bring to America. zyn or Kamala?
 
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Brendan, thanks for such an amazing series, also thanks for you contribution (and Todd's as well!) to the Ringo youtube video!
So much information coming in so fast, I'm overloaded!



BTW, here's my (estimated circa '50/'51) 20" NS12 "big bell" Stambul for comparison to Ringo's 20"!!!

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PS, I'm in L.A. if you want to check it out!
 

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Brendan, thanks for such an amazing series, also thanks for you contribution (and Todd's as well!) to the Ringo youtube video!
So much information coming in so fast, I'm overloaded!



BTW, here's my (estimated circa '50/'51) 20" NS12 "big bell" Stambul for comparison to Ringo's 20"!!!

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PS, I'm in L.A. if you want to check it out!
Howdy neighbor! Yes I'd love to! I recently got this Stambul, sounds great and just like the end of the song Please Please Me.
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It makes me wonder @type85 if he had another similarcymbal like your Stambul... Or if this is an Ajax?


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I recently received this 50's Zildjian that I think has a similar sound, hammering, conical bell shape, and lathing lines to Thee 20" Zildjian he used from Aug '64 to at least Feb '67. I will try and make a video soon. It has a nice low 1900gram crash that I am eager to test out with compression.

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Howdy neighbor! Yes I'd love to! I recently got this Stambul, sounds great and just like the end of the song Please Please Me.


It makes me wonder @type85 if he had another similar cymbal like your Stambul... Or if this is an Ajax?


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I recently received this 50's Zildjian that I think has a similar sound, hammering, conical bell shape, and lathing lines to Thee 20" Zildjian he used from Aug '64 to at least Feb '67. I will try and make a video soon. It has a nice low 1900gram crash that I am eager to test out with compression.

In the picture above with Lennon wearing glasses; that looks very much like a "big bell" Stambul, they always had that hard "transition" from the edge of the bell to the bow of the cymbal.
I can't tell what he's using in the cavern club video, however, the Cavern club in Hamburg was pretty close to the German Paiste factory in Rendsburg, I wonder if Ringo took a trip on an off day?
I think Paiste transitioned to a more conventional bell around or after 1965 on the Stambul's, do you have a closeup pic of the logo for your cymbal?
Does it have a location (Switzerland or Germany) stamped in it?
Does it have a standard hole size (½") or does it look relatively small (3/8")?
Any idea of the weight?
Nice Zildjian BTW, amazing shape!

Dan
PS, I'm in Toluca lake, I assume you're in Hollywood or the westside?
 

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In the picture above with Lennon wearing glasses; that looks very much like a "big bell" Stambul, they always had that hard "transition" from the edge of the bell to the bow of the cymbal.
I can't tell what he's using in the cavern club video, however, the Cavern club in Hamburg was pretty close to the German Paiste factory in Rendsburg, I wonder if Ringo took a trip on an off day?
I think Paiste transitioned to a more conventional bell around or after 1965 on the Stambul's, do you have a closeup pic of the logo for your cymbal?
Does it have a location (Switzerland or Germany) stamped in it?
Does it have a standard hole size (½") or does it look relatively small (3/8")?
Any idea of the weight?
Nice Zildjian BTW, amazing shape!

Dan
PS, I'm in Toluca lake, I assume you're in Hollywood or the westside?

Here is the stamp! Very faint, my guess is that this cymbal is in the 1800gram range but I'll weigh it asap. It has a higher pitched sound to it, I hear the ending of please please me every time I play it! Here are some previously posted pictures that lead me to believe his was a Stambul, or at least a Paiste cymbal. Also, I live in east LA!

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February 11th 1968- Recording Hey Bulldog
Looks to me to be his trusty 18" and 20" 602 medium ride. You can hear the 602 especially on the ending crash of Lady Madonna on the second drum track. Now I am curious if we can tell if the bottom hi hat could be the early 602 sound edge like we see in Get Back. There is something about the color overhead shot of the hats below, that leads me to believe that he might be using the SE bottom hi hat.
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Here is the stamp! Very faint, my guess is that this cymbal is in the 1800gram range but I'll weigh it asap. It has a higher pitched sound to it, I hear the ending of please please me every time I play it! Here are some previously posted pictures that lead me to believe his was a Stambul, or at least a Paiste cymbal. Also, I live in east LA!

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So much Stambul.... so little time!
So this is what I'm seeing in your logo (your logo is on the left, modified for clarity, then a clear example on the right).
No location name below the "Paiste" script, could be a pre '57/'58 because of lack of location name. Robert moved to Switzerland in '57 and started up cymbal making in a one room shop all by himself! At some point after that they started to stamp Germany or Switzerland to differentiate the two locations......

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"I see Ripples in that overheard Color shot"..
maybe too close together for an early 602 SE bot. Have to check the one I have ( ; ) anyway) see something)
 

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Here's an excerpt from Bil Ludwig's book about how and why Ringo chose Ludwig over his current Premier set!
As we all know, this one decision changed the world of drumming in so many ways!
Ludwig goes on to explain later in the book how that had to run an extra shift until 1:00am to produce 100 drum sets per day, they also expanded into another building to accommodate the extra staff.
My opinion is this partnership created the explosion of popularity in England causing virtually all English rock drummers that followed to play Ludwig.

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Here's an excerpt from Bil Ludwig's book about how and why Ringo chose Ludwig over his current Premier set!
As we all know, this one decision changed the world of drumming in so many ways!
Ludwig goes on to explain later in the book how that had to run an extra shift until 1:00am to produce 100 drum sets per day, they also expanded into another building to accommodate the extra staff.
My opinion is this partnership created the explosion of popularity in England causing virtually all English rock drummers that followed to play Ludwig.

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That's Ivor's version of the story but Ringo now says he saw the full set in the store window and fell in love with the look. Who's telling the truth? I suppose we'll never know.


Although you can't just peel off a wet-slide decal....so there's a strike against Ringo's version of the tale.

The decal on his first set did slowly chip away until it just read "Lu" at which point they had a full logo repainted on in a slightly off font.
 
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