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when googled does a magnet sticks to brass the following came up, "
Magnetic
When looking and testing materials to determine which is which, you may be able to use a heavy-duty magnet. Because copper and bronze are not magnetic with even the strongest of magnets, you can narrow down your options. Keep in mind that while brass is magnetic, it is very slight. If you take a very heavy duty magnet and hold it close to a brass object, chances are the object will attract to the magnet. If your magnet is strong enough, you'll at least be able to tell if your item is brass or not."
 

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google search says, "
Brass vs. Bronze
As early as 3000 B.C., metalsmiths in the Middle East knew how to combine copper with tin to create bronze. Because zinc is sometimes found with tin ore, they occasionally made brass – which is an alloy of copper and zinc – by accident.
By the time of the Roman Empire, smiths had learned to tell the difference between tin and zinc ores and began making brass for use in coins, jewelry and other items. Brass itself is not magnetic, but it is stronger than copper and resists corrosion, so today it is used to make pipes, screws, musical instruments and gun cartridges."
 

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Slightly magnetic with a strong magnet. Even some of that might be from the chrome. A magnet POPS to a steel shell. I feel nothing with my Rogers stuff. Some Big R brass snare get a mild pull because of the heavy chrome. I suppose there is brass that has a little pull, but doesn't seem to apply to Rogers drums. Ace
 

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Ace, Thanks for your 2 cents. Glad a magnet doesn't stick to either of my 2 aluminum shell Powerlite snare shells. The purpose of this thread. Here is some more on metals from a google search:

"Many people think that they know the answer to the question "What do magnets stick to?", and more often than not, their answer will be "metals". However, that is only partly true because magnets stick to some types of metals and not others. For example, imagine you have two metal cabinets right in front of you, one is aluminum and one is steel. When you try to stick your magnets on the cabinets, the magnet will slide off the aluminum cabinet and stick firmly to the steel cabinet.

Understanding the Basics
The most accurate answer to the question, "What do magnets stick to?" is "ferromagnetic materials." Ferromagnetism is the basis on which custom refrigerator magnets work. Any ferromagnetic material can make magnets stick to them, firmly. Here are the most common ferromagnetic materials:

  • Iron
  • Cobalt
  • Nickel
  • Steel
  • Manganese
  • Gadolinium
  • Lodestone
The Issue about Strong and Weak Metals
In their natural states, metals such as brass, copper, gold and silver will not attract magnets. This is because they are weak metals to start with. Magnets only attach themselves to strong metals such as iron and cobalt and that is why not all types of metals can make magnets stick to them. However, you can actually add properties such as iron or steel into the weak metals to make them stronger. Even adding a very small amount of iron into a metal like gold can make it become magnetic.

Stainless Steels and Magnets
Steel is a metal that magnets stick to because iron can be found inside steel. However, stainless steels comprise of a large group of steel alloys that are made of different metal compositions. While some have more chromium, some might have more iron in them. That is why you will find that while some types of stainless steels are magnetic, other stainless steel types will not make magnets stick to them. Stainless steel is often used in a wide range of home appliances, so if you experiment, you might find that your fridge magnet sticks to your oven, but does not stick to your rice cooker."
 

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I have a Dayton Powertone. #18360. Pretty sure it is COB. Sounds great.
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OK, finally got my Powertone out of quarantine. After critically evaluating the look, weight and sound I am almost certain it is an aluminum shell. The only piece of evidence I am missing is an accurate weight on the shell, since my scale battery is dead and I am I currently a bit "cooped up". Will amazon one shortly and get back to you.

Dayton tag, 23040. 6 extra holes in it plus those from the missing tone control, not sure what they are about. Clear view at the dull grey metal underneath. Not the least bit magnetic.does not look as "dull" as in your pictures, but for sure mlre of a fine brushed finish than the chrome of the lugs, so probably polished aluminum I guess?
Not sure how helpful or interesting that is to you. Let me know if you want better pics of anything.

Dan
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As I've learned from my google searches only a strong magnet might stick to brass. One thing for sure is that by 23K CBS was experimenting to cut costs and playing around with some aluminum or steel shells. Curious about the weight as there is a significant drop in weight from the x2 21K aluminum shells that I've come across. Please do follow through with the weight of your shell stripped down to the grommet and script logo.
 

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As I've learned from my google searches only a strong magnet might stick to brass. One thing for sure is that by 23K CBS was experimenting to cut costs and playing around with some aluminum or steel shells. Curious about the weight as there is a significant drop in weight from the x2 21K aluminum shells that I've come across. Please do follow through with the weight of your shell stripped down to the grommet and script logo.
Will do. Can tell just from holding it that all the weight is in the lugs and the strainer. Can you see any diffetence in the snare beds or bearing edges between the two shell materials?
 

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Not that I know of-no difference. Jeff Burke sent out a later Dayton and early Fullerton Power Tone shells to be stripped down to the brass to have them clear coated and to his surprise they were steel shells. Maybe like yours...
 

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Not that I know of-no difference. Jeff Burke sent out a later Dayton and early Fullerton Power Tone shells to be stripped down to the brass to have them clear coated and to his surprise they were steel shells. Maybe like yours...
Except it is not magnetic. So no, not steel.
 

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Sorry I don't know about your Powertone. Found my notes and the shell with grommet and script logo weighed in at 4.20 for a chrome over brass and 2.65 for the aluminum one.
And drumroll...... 2.7 lbs Aluminum
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Anyone have any idea what these extra holes above and below the strainer and butt right under the bearing edge flange could have been for? Assuming the other two extras in between two of the lugs were for some sort of mount?

Great sounding drum, have it tuned up crispy high now and has a nice pop to it. Feel like the hardware overall must be a decent bit heavier than ludwig 8-lug alus, doesn't quite have that acrolite honk too it. Not super attached to it if anyone is interested in it as an odity I would consider a modest trade for another decent snare.
 
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I interviewed Bob "Curt" Curter about 10 years ago when I was in OH. Just spoke to Jerry Sheilds to ask about the metal Powertone shells. He confirmed that they weren't made at the factory they were out sourced. He did mention that Bob passed away last year. Very sad to hear that. He loved his OH football and I sat in his man cave full of football memorabilia as we chatted away about time past. He had a skinny drum and Mardi Gras bongos. Mentioned that he sold his clear interior double bass Mardi kit a while back. He had some gold plated Rogers keys that he gave out to some of the factory workers. He shared his. Glad to hear that Jerry is keeping busy on the computer sites to answer questions. Very sad to hear about Bob though...glad I interviewed him when I did. He was very informative. R.I.P Curt.

I asked the seller on reverb if a magnet sticks to the COB shell and here is his response, "
Message from Garrett Cameron:
Magnet does not stick to the shell because it's COB, not steel." So it's not COB.
I think somebody said they were outsourced to Gretsch.
 

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I think somebody said they were outsourced to Gretsch.

Indeed the first flat shell Holiday B+B lug metal shells were Gretsch. The next generation of shells that were Rogers invented with the 2 inverted beads were outsourced by a different company.
 

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I had a 6.5x14 Dayton Powertone. It definitely was brass...
I am the proud owner of that snare. I use it with my Big R set. It has those interesting harmonics with rim shots, but more balls. It has it's own thing. Ace
 


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