Slingerland Gene Krupa Sound King: How Bad Did I Get Cheated?

Mabel3Thumbs

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I have been looking for a Slingerland Gene Krupa Sound King and I thought I found one on EBAY. The serial number was 148213, it had 1960s hardware, was in good condition, and the owner told me it was all original. He said that the only thing that wasn't original was the snares, but not to worry, he would include the original snares with the drum when he shipped it. $250 shipped was the total.
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Then he lied about needing more money to ship it. Not a big deal to me, it was only $10.

Then the drum arrived. I was delighted. Then I looked and the two screws that hold the butt plate on didn't match and one was ridiculously long. Still not a big deal but warning bells were going off in my head.

So I took it apart to clean it. Then I noticed that the tension rods weren't all the same. They looked like Ludwig tension rods (1 7/8"). And then there was one that was longer and didn't match the other.

I contacted seller and he had a story about it must have happened during shipping and he would make it right. So you already know that he never made it right.

I looked at the badge plate and I can't tell if that is original or not.

The drum shell and hoops are brass. The other parts look 1960's to me based on pictures from Vintage Drum Forum and reading up on this snare drum.

So does anyone out there have a Slingerland Sound King? Does your badge look like this on the inside? How long are your tension rods? I want to find some original Slingerlands tension rods but I don't know what length they should be.

This is my first Slingerland so help a girl out and let me know what you think.
 

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My feeling is you did fine. 250 shipped is about the going market price for a clean one.
To me, a few incorrect tension rods & non-matching buttplate screws shouldn't be a major deal-breaking issue.

Small screws and rods from 50 yr. old drums will get misplaced and replaced over the years with something that may be incorrect but still works.
Badge looks typical and correct. Shell looks fairly dent-free and gleaming, that's about all one can ask unless you expected a pristine & original case queen example, which would be more expensive.

Sound Kings are wonderful drums, I own both sizes. Play it with pride!
 

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So the badge looks like it should? I couldn't tell if someone had pried off the original and replaced it with one of the older ones they sell on EBAY or Reverb. The guy was so sketchy that I didn't know what to think after awhile. At the price of original 60's tension rods I thought he might have switched them out to sell and substituted the cheaper Ludwig rods.

I like the drum a lot. I just wish it was as advertised (all original).

Do you have any idea what tension rod length would be right for this drum?
 

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Thank you for your response by the way. I appreciate you taking the time and helping me out with some perspective.
 

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The badge grommet looks typical of the era to me.
Also, remember the seller may have honestly assumed every screw and rod was original - not all vintage drum sellers are vintage drum experts.

I don't remember offhand about the actual rod length 2" maybe? but your drum has the interior backing plates for the lug casings so that's a plus and definitely a 1960s brass shell. How many lugs 8 or 10? Did he include the Slingerland wireset? It should have end tabs with ridge bumps.
 

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This is an 8 lug snare drum.

He promised to include the original snare wires with the drum, but he didn't.

I think I am holding him to a higher standard because he told me that he has been buying and selling drums for 30 years. So he definitely should have been able to take a look at the drum and see that the screws weren't right (anyone with eyes could see the one screw extending way into the interior of the drum).

But thanks for the information. I feel a lot better about the drum.
 

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Thanks for revealing additional insight regarding the seller and his statements. I'd say there's no harm in requesting he ship the wireset as promised and perhaps consider a reasonable partial refund of 25 or 30 bucks due to the incorrect and unmatching rods & screws. You also have the option thru ebay customer service to file a not-as-described claim if he's un-cooperative regarding these requests. What you received should match his description in the listing.
 

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250 shipped is an excellent deal.
Tension rods and a few screws are inconsequential. The snares that were original were dogshit. Get some puresounds and a few parts and have a killer snare. You did good, forget this guy and the future aggravation otherwise youll drive yourself nuts trying to make a schnook come clean.
Believe me it aint worth it.
There are people here that would go to war over a dollar or put up a 20 page rant over a 1/2 " rering glue spot. Dont fall for it. You got a good drum at a great price, you need a few parts.....it Will sound GREAT.
 

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Interesting comments. However, I am of the opinion that if its not as described, and it's not, then I'd return it. Would different rods, and some screws really make a difference - no. But if it's advertised as all original (other than wires, and obviously heads), and you are paying top+ dollar, I'd be a little annoyed. If, on the other hand, it was fully disclsoed to you, and you overpaid, that's on you. eBay will make him pay for return s/h, too, as it was misrepresented.

I was going to suggest that you look at GC or MGR to find decent condition COB Slingys for $125-150 all day long, but I was SHOCKED that $200 is the lowest (other than one on MGR with a broken throw for $120, less s/h)........so I guess it's your call. I'd probably return it and wait for a better one........
 

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I appreciate all the input. I had a Ludwig Supraphonic '68 for years and was in hog heaven. Then the arthritis kicked in and I had to give up drumming. I miss it a lot. I sold the Supraphonic to a gigging drummer that always wanted one and I knew he would play it live and enjoy it.

But recently the drumming bug just got to me and I needed a drum. I don't think that bug ever goes away. I bought this Slingerland and have started just playing simple stuff for about 10 minutes. I feel like a kid sneaking behind the locker room to smoke a cigarette in high school. I play for a few minutes and look around to see if the arthritis caught me and I will have to pay for playing a few paradiddles or if I got away with it.

Anyway, this purchase hasn't been as happy an experience as I had hoped, but I really like this drum a lot. I'm going to take the advice to get a refund from the guy for the parts and move on. With EBAYs policy of returning it as not described (he pays shipping) I think that he will go for it.
I will fix her up and she will a sweet drum that sings (when arthritis isn't looking).

Thanks again guys.
 

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That’s not a bad price at all. The seller may not have known about the rods, so that’s no big deal. However, if he promised the original wires he needs to send them or refund $15-20.
 

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There are people here that would go to war over a dollar or put up a 20 page rant over a 1/2 " rering glue spot. Dont fall for it. You got a good drum at a great price, you need a few parts.....it Will sound GREAT.
Great post! all this fretting over old drums at times misses the big picture. This original screw missing and that butt is unoriginal etc. Get 'em working and playing again, which is what drums are made for.
OP - It is indeed aggravating being lied to but forget about the purchase and focus on the result.
 

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Mabel, take a look at Steve Maxwell's Reverb page. He is always "the high-priced spread," but his stuff is usually about perfect, with NO mis-representation ever - he's got an international clientele and a serious, deserved reputation to maintain. Recently he had a stash o' Sound Kings. He's got a New York and Chicago-land page, separate.

I agree with a combo of what the guys here are saying: I'd ask for a little "make it right" - get the seller to ship those wires and $20 or so for the unoriginal parts you WEREN'T supposed to get. Maybe ask for $30, take $20. He says the wires "disappeared"? Ask $50, maybe take $40.

Enjoy that drum! I owned a 70's 6 1/2" Krupa once. It's "brassness" was awesome!
 

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The snares that were original were dogshit.
I agree with your posted comments except maybe this one.
Vintage 20 strand Slingerland wiresets are nice to have and still sought after providing they're not stretched out.
I just read an article this week describing Slingerland wires as the industry standard of their time for quality.
But you're right about the inconsequential, that's a clean looking Sound King overall and certainly a keeper.
 

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Thanks for revealing additional insight regarding the seller and his statements. I'd say there's no harm in requesting he ship the wireset as promised and perhaps consider a reasonable partial refund of 25 or 30 bucks due to the incorrect and unmatching rods & screws. You also have the option thru ebay customer service to file a not-as-described claim if he's un-cooperative regarding these requests. What you received should match his description in the listing.
+1 with EvEnStEvEn. This is an "item not as described" case that you will win. Contact the seller and give them three options:
1) Provide correct original parts to replace non-original items as well as original snare wires.
2) Give a partial refund of $x (you decide how much) and you will replace the non-original parts yourself.
3) Give a full refund including return shipping.
Tell the seller if they do not respond you will open an "item not as described" case with the eBay resolution center. Sellers usually choose option #2. Overall your drum looks good (grommet has been tampered with) but you should receive what was advertised.
 
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"he had a story about it must have happened during shipping" sounds like he had no idea what you are referring to or he hopes you are gullible. Screws don't change themselves as a result of something happening during shipping. I agree with what others have stated regarding a partial refund, especially as @jmetatual has outlined.
 


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