SOLD >>> 16" THIN Crash - 936g - No Stamp Zildjian - Mid 50s

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>>>SOLD<<<


16" THIN Crash - No Stamp

* 936 grams
* Zildjian with no stamp? See Zenstat's reference below...
* Very cool crash / Effects cymbal.
* Small center hole.
* Has a warp to it but No structural issues.
* I've had it for years, just don't have a use for it.

Check out the >>> VIDEO / SOUND FILE >>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/gfrbu2tw6k3ku6e/16NoName.MOV?dl=0

>>> $SOLD...SHIPPED (US48)

PM for more info, etc...
Thanks...Matt


P.S. - I HAVE NO IDEA WHY THE PHOTOS ARE SIDEWAYS? I'VE TRIED FLIPPING THEM AROUND AND IT DOESN'T WORK. SORRY...
 

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The lathing and hammering on the bottom of that cymbal makes me think Avedis Zildjian not Italian. Most likely production era would be first half of the 1950s. Here's a Trans stamp showing the bottom hammering from my reference site:



There is plenty of variation from cymbal to cymbal within each A Zildjian production era, but if you have a scroll through my gallery you might agree.

hammering gallery: http://black.net.nz/avedis/hammering.html

Avedis Zildjian cymbals without stamps are well enough documented that it isn't a surprise to see one like this from the mid 1950s. Small center holes are found on Avedis Zildjian cymbals manufactured before the late 1950s (unless they have been enlarged) so that doesn't count as evidence of being Italian. Neither does a cymbal from that production era being slightly undersized in overall diameter. Both Italian and Avedis Zildjian (and Turkish made cymbals) tend to be undersized so once again that isn't diagnostic.
 

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zenstat said:
The lathing and hammering on the bottom of that cymbal makes me think Avedis Zildjian not Italian. Most likely production era would be first half of the 1950s. Here's a Trans stamp showing the bottom hammering from my reference site:



There is plenty of variation from cymbal to cymbal within each A Zildjian production era, but if you have a scroll through my gallery you might agree.

hammering gallery: http://black.net.nz/avedis/hammering.html

Avedis Zildjian cymbals without stamps are well enough documented that it isn't a surprise to see one like this from the mid 1950s. Small center holes are found on Avedis Zildjian cymbals manufactured before the late 1950s (unless they have been enlarged) so that doesn't count as evidence of being Italian. Neither does a cymbal from that production era being slightly undersized in overall diameter. Both Italian and Avedis Zildjian (and Turkish made cymbals) tend to be undersized so once again that isn't diagnostic.
Wow...Great Info man!
Am I in the right price range? I didn't even think about this being a Zildjian with no stamp?
 

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Completed Sale Prices for 16" old As: http://black.net.nz/avedis/avedis-prices.html#16

I'm way behind getting the 2016 data processed and published. I've now got 24 sales of 16" single cymbals from the Trans Stamp or pre Trans Stamp period. As I mention in my older discussion there are two different weight ranges, and I haven't got enough light ones (< 1000g) like yours to say much other than $85 shipped should be attractive to the discerning buyer. Median expected price is $175 (excluding shipping). But the range goes from $89 - $255 and given the small sample size (8 of the light ones) I can't say much more. I also don't know what the lack of a trademark stamp does to the expected price. Other than the look of the cymbal, it sounds reminiscent of my 14" Trans Stamp. I'm confident it is a mid 1950s Avedis Zildjian, but it is possible that others will have other opinions and be less interested as a result. :dontknow:
 

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Cool man. I'm going to do a little research this evening and bump the price a bit. I've had this cymbal for a while and am in no hurry to sell it too cheap... I'm also going to post some really good photos.
 

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