SOLD! 70s Zildjian 18 inch Crash 1316 grams

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Once thought to be a 50s pie, there are No Cracks in this 70s gem. Plenty of typical wear on this 1316 grams crash. Notice the hammering and fine lathing. Sounds Great.
See pics of edge - one rough spot with some fleabites.
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2 or 3 other...."edge dents"
I say that because they look more like dents than chips.
Hole in great condition.
The best feature of this cymbal is the SOUND. Plenty loud and complex.
Reduced from 150, Asking $130 plus shipping from 49285


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"Any Ink stamps left on it John?"
Fortunately we don't need the ink to know that is almost certainly a THIN CRASH based on the larger sized bell (5.5") and the weight. Next most likely would be FAST CRASH but those tend to be more like 1200g - 1285g (on present evidence). Yours has a 70s trademark stamp, 70s style hammering visible on top, and 70s bell lathing. I've got one which weighs 1240g (no ink left) and it's mighty nice. I've also got a 16" with the faintest of PAPER THIN CRASH ink left which weighs 868g. GLWS.
 

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What a coincidence. Just bought the twin of the OP's cymbal today for $18 delivered. Weight 1316 gm, large bell, 1970's thin stamp. Very flexible bordering on paper thin. It crashes very fast with a light touch. And not so much wash that you couldn't ride it. I can see why the seller called it an "unlabeled cymbal." Took me 2 minutes to find the stamp the 2nd time I went looking for it.

The "catch" on this cymbal was a 5/8" crack on one of the upper rings of the bell. I didn't think it would affect the sound much at all. And I was right. It retains 90% or more of it's original tone....though hard to judge. Expected something heavier so the thin weight was a nice surprise. This is the lightest 18" Zildjian I've owned. I'm going to insure I play the opposite side and minimize bell usage.
 

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Hate to burst all your bubbles...but....

(I will have to search for it---the thread)

I started a thread to ID this cymbal. IIRC Steve IDed it as a 50s - and IIRC he was not alone.
 

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Well I can't find the thread - looks like I will have to go home and get the tape measure out and shoot another pic or two.
 

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Hate to burst all your bubbles...but....

(I will have to search for it---the thread)

I started a thread to ID this cymbal. IIRC Steve IDed it as a 50s - and IIRC he was not alone.
That would be interesting if you can find the original thread. My ids get better over time as I learn more and find more diagnostic features, thanks to a number of fellow workers. I don't claim to be 100% accurate because there are always ambiguous photos. But I think in general we would be at > 99% accurate these days. So given I've looked at about 3,000 Old As now, I'd expect to have up to 30 ids be questionable. :sign6:
 
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One thing is for certain. Yours has a 1970's die stamp. Not many 50's cymbals remained vaulted into the 70's. The bell lines are fairly bold and high to be a 50's....but I'm no expert. Some of the hammering has a bit of that 50's look. I rechecked my cymbal and it looks much the same....I can see some 50's-like qualities in it. In fact the top of the bell is flat 1-1/2" across, another feature of some 50's cymbals....very obvious in my photo above...and didn't even notice until now. But since mine is cracked right near the top lip, maybe it was flattened with a blunt force? Though I don't think that's the case as nothing really looks distorted, especially the under side of the bell hole which is quite flat. The bold and wide bell lines seem to suggest 70's era.
 

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In fact the top of the bell is flat 1-1/2" across, another feature of some 50's cymbals.
The flat across the top is also a late 60s early 70s bell style when the 5.5" diameter (aka Special Cup die) is used. From my bells web page

Image: 18" 60s (1.5" stamp height) Bell



Bell Lathing style (tonal grooves):
Bottom: coarse
Mid: coarse
Top: fine
 

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Well I can't find the thread - looks like I will have to go home and get the tape measure out and shoot another pic or two.
Were those your photos in the original thread? Or were they somebody else's photos of a cymbal you were thinking of buying? And can you remember the year?
 

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Were those your photos in the original thread? Or were they somebody else's photos of a cymbal you were thinking of buying? And can you remember the year?
It was either 2017 or 2018 and they were my pics - which were different than these pics seen above. I can try to find the original pics, but might take me a while.
 

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I'll try to shoot a couple more tonight after I get home...of the bell from a couple different angles.
 

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Just read up a bit on the stamp. In addition to other common opinion, I noticed that the H and E are not aligned so it helps confirm that this is a very 50s looking 70s Zildjian, and so I have changed the title to 70s.
 

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