Super rare Turkish A Zildjian popped up on Facebook today

[Bijan]

I’m assuming the A is for Aram. This was posted on FB by a local shop owner. Said it’s around 13.5”. Pretty cool!!!

 

[mlayton]

VERY early!

Mike

 

[JDA]

Yep The " Bucharest" A.
Yep, Aram...the one that fled persecution To Bucharest and wired Avedis in America to " start making cymbals!"..and later visited Avedis in America to assist him getting started...

also had the coolest goatee...
There he is hammering in America

during his visit/ died/ shortly after...
Still not an old K..but the oddest of A.
I wouldn't expect it to sound like a K.
K's were still more random hammered I'm not sure

 

[hardbat]

Got a link?

 

[Bijan]

No- here are some pics I snapped of it yesterday. Looks like the word “ROMAN” is stamped on the cymbal as well.

 

[hardbat]

Cool. Is it for sale?

 

[JDA]

romania -bucharest whose counting ? ( ; ?? ! )
(Bucharest is the capital of Romania Joe;
ok thanks)
learn something new (old) everyday..

 

[D. B. Cooper]

K's were still more random hammered I'm not sure

How so? What do you mean?

 

[JDA]

How so? What do you mean?

It's not like a K or even like a K. Constantinople.
It's possible the A. Cie is only from Romania.
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Somehow I suspect there were multiple "Zildjians" going on - even in Turkey- in early years (say 1850s-1920's) .
You had the K. Kerope but then, what's Aram with an A. who before fleeing to Romania, must have had ( an "A" shop) A. Cie. in Turkey? Concurrent with a K. shop?

there's more than we will ever know

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there's a little - about all- other than from Z.com window of 1850 Zildjian herein:

TurkIsh Cymbal

It is thought that cymbals have been in existence in the Middle East and Asia since the first millennium BC as tiny finger cymbals. Cymbals as we know them now developed later, and were made from vari

www.turkishculture.org

"By 1927 Levon and Diran were running the family business in Istanbul. But that was the year when everything changed. Cousin Aram Zilciyan received an invitation from his relatives in America. Having no son to whom he could pass on the craft, he decided to risk the arduous journey. Meanwhile in a foundry near Yedikule, Mikael Usta, who had taken up production in the footsteps of Big Kerope, began stamping a large ‘K’ on the cymbals he made in the Great Master’s name. "

So prior to 1927 all Zildjian from inside Turkey were marked "A"
?
very foggy
details

 

[Bijan]

So the ROMAN stamp on this cymbal says ROMANIA. take a look at the pic earlier in the thread- you can see some partial lettering after the N. Mystery solved

 

[JDA]

So the ROMAN stamp on this cymbal says ROMANIA. take a look at the pic earlier in the thread- you can see some partial lettering after the N. Mystery solved

Yes. Bucharest A was what we used to call them (on Cymbalholic)...Bucharest being the capital of Romania. All facts remain same
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There was also an 18" and 20" A. Zildjian ( not Avedis) in the pre WWII 1941 Gretsch catalog. Sizzle.