Super Zyns for sale!

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Hard to find 60’s cymbals…
14” Super Zyn hats 780 g and 730 g - if you are into Super Zyns you know how hard it is to find a set of 14” hats.

18” Super Zyn ride With 8 rivets 1780g (Ringo used a similar one)

Super Zyn badges nicely printed on all cymbals!

Great condition with no cracks, keyhole or rough edges. Very unique sounding cymbals!

The ride was sold, the hats are still available.
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It is my understanding that most Zyn cymbals were NS12. Are the Super Zyns NS12 or B20? Or both-what are these? Sorry for the school request.....but more info tends to help the sale more than hurt it.
 

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I am getting some serious interest locally for these too, I guess people collect super zyns. i don’t know how to post videos here. If interested message me your phone number and I will shoot over a video.
 

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It is my understanding that most Zyn cymbals were NS12. Are the Super Zyns NS12 or B20? Or both-what are these? Sorry for the school request.....but more info tends to help the sale more than hurt it.

Opinions vary and are sometimes strongly held. There is no quality laboratory evidence which I have seen. There are lots of internet rumors. Different series seem to have been made from different alloys. Those look like B20 in the photos, and I've heard internet stories about Super Zyn being B20 alloy. Note I'm violating my own rule about not basing alloy guesses on photos when the lighting is not standardized.


The hammering and lathing on those does look nice. I see concentric ring hammering on the top and bottom of 18 which is like late 50s early 60s A Zildjian hammering. There are also opinions about whether that constitutes "hand hammering" or "machine". The hats show nice hammering on both sides.
 
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My understanding is all Super Zyn and 5-Star Super Zyn are B20 cymbals.

The earlier Super Zyn (1951-1967) are said to be hand hammered while the 5-Star Super Zyn which came out in 1968 look to be machine hammered. The 5-Star Super Zyn are also reported to be heavier than the Super Zyns when comparing cymbals of the same weight class.

I am seeing some old chatter on the internet saying the 5-Star Super Zyn were made by UFIP. Not sure if this stems from the story of the original Zyns being made with the help of Italian POWs who stayed in England. The examples I am seeing on the internet all say Made In England. Perhaps the blanks were purchased from UFIP and they were worked by Premier in England?

What I know of England was they were particular about stamps on cymbals with post-war Paistes from the German factory having to be stamped as "Foreign Made" instead of Made In Germany due to leftover resentments, so saying these 5-Stars were made by UFIP seems incorrect to me as they would have been stamped Made In Italy or Foreign Made imho. Again, I would say its possible the blanks came from UFIP perhaps...
 
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Here is the Super Zyn's first appearance in the 1951 Premier Catalog

The very early Zyn cymbals which are stamped Standard Quality are said to be nickel-silver but not NS12 by some owners - they supposedly have a higher brass content than an NS12.

The later ones stamped as just Zyn are said to be NS12 (similar to an NS12 Paiste of the time period) with further improvements in quality coming when they became the 2-Star Zyn.

There was also a cymbal the Zyn 70 which appeared in the 1970 Beverly catalog. Looks like it was only made the one year. Not sure of the alloy. Looks NS12. If anyone owns maybe you could chime in/.
 

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If the owners opinion are right, It looks from the Premier catalogs like the Zyn might of switched to the better quality actual NS12 cymbals from the earlier "standard" stamped model in 1959.

Comparison of the 1958 and 1959 catalog pages - the 1959 Zyn is said to have a "New" sound and introduces a 22" model as well as an 18" Sizzle Cymbal. A 20" Sizzle cymbal appears in sometime between 1960 and 1963.

(I also included the 1959 Super Zyn page because old cymbal ads are cool as hell)
 

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Super Zyn lineup of cymbals (1951-1967)


The Super Zyn lineup (for the standard cymbals for drum set use) stayed constant throughout (12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 18, 20, 22, 24) from 1951 until the intro of the 5-Star Zyn line in 1968


weights shifted as time went on

1951: The Super Zyn weights were Thin, Medium-Thin, Medium and Heavy
1952-1957 unknown
1958 and 1959: The Super Zyn weights were Thin, Medium-Thin and Medium with the Heavy weight now applying to the Marching cymbals
1960-62: unknown
1963-1968: The Super Zyn weights were Thin, Medium-Thin, Medium, Medium-Heavy


Super Zyn Marching cymbals

1951 catalog: None shown
1952-1957 unknown status
1958 catalog: 12" 13" 14" 15" 16" 18" 20" (Heavy) 14" 15" (Extra Heavy)
1959 catalog - Same but Extra Heavy offerings deleted
1963 catalog: 13" 14" 15" 16" (Heavy)
1966 catalog: 14", 15", 16" (Heavy)
 
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First appearance of the 5-Star Super Zyn in 1968 Premier Catalog.

The old Zyn cymbals are still available at this point. 2-Star Zyn must come in 1969.
 

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What I know of England was they were particular about stamps on cymbals with post-war Paistes from the German factory having to be stamped as "Foreign Made" instead of Made In Germany due to leftover resentments

England was particular about origin for other reasons like taxation.

Examples: A Zildjian cymbals sold by Premier. The stamps suggest early 30s to 40s

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and a K Zildjian

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I've also got some "FOREIGN MADE" stamps on some cymbals, but reverse searching my library for them is proving difficult. I didn't leave myself with enough tags in the files.

...and this post should have been made in the other thread.
 

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Haven’t been actively trying to sell these but the hats are still available, the ride was sold.

I can do $260 shipped for DFO members.

A very unique pair of hats.
 

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heya mate...did you ever get 'round to doing a down n dirty iphone sound file?
I think I did it for someone before, I will check my phone to see if I still have it. If not, I will record one for you, but I’ll need your phone# to text it to you.
 


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