davezedlee
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nice!
Well add me to this group as I also have a Tama rosewood snare from the 80's. It is my go to snare. Pics are in the gallery.The 80's Rosewoods are very nice. I have 2 of them. One is an early 12 ply from about 1980 and the other is a 10 ply from 1982. I never had a Bell Brass but during the mid 80's I was doing some recording in a Studio called the Boogie Hotel was able to borrow one for a few days. I couldn't afford one for myself then either....For me, the one "bucket list" Tama snare is a 14x6.5 Rosewood about the timeframe as this bell brass drum. As for other brands, well, I don't have enough time to list all of them. A 20s Ludwig BB or NOB, or (on the new side) a Joyful Noise would be nice . Back OT, Donn Bennett had a couple of Elvin Jones' 80s Tama bell brass drums. It seems they went for 4k...
calling it ludwig forum was some friendly give and takeFirst off, the name of this forum is "Drumforum" not Ludwigforum" or "Gretschforum" or "Camcoforum" or whatever. If you aren't mature enough for some friendly give and take, you don't belong here, regardless of your chronological age...
Second, I was unaware of the provenance of the "Nevermind" snare. A little research turned up this quote from Butch Vig at Gearslutz:
"The best way to get the drum sound on Nevermind is....get Dave Grohl to play drums at Sound City!!!
The snare was called "The Terminator"...it was 80's Bell Brass.
His kit was an 80's Tama Grandstar."
Aha! but this from Matt Hepworth:
"'The Terminator' snare drum is actually a super thick bell brass drum made by Zildjian and Noble&Cooley. It is NOT Tama. It is NOT a Black Beauty. The only one rentable is owned by the Drum Doctor and it's used on about every album from that era and is still heavily used today."
What is wrong with us?
Horn players I know speak of $8-10,000 vintage saxes as being the norm. And not even the top end.
We all know about 50's/60's Fender guitars: $15K or more, no big deal.
I occasionally gig with a guy who carries a B3 with Leslie cabinet to gigs in a trailer. He has several others at home as well. He tells me they're worth $30k in excellent shape. Even if he's off by 50%, that's still $15,000.
And yet a snare like this Tama model, made in an special alloy, in a special process, producing a wonderful tone, examples of which are on a number of famous recordings, and are very scarce to boot - and we act like $4000 or even $7500 is way out of line.
Drums don't get enough respect. Maybe not even from us....
I'm a Tama AND a Ludwig guy. I won't spend that much on either of their products.Good point, Dan, but I think the point being made earlier was "I would NEVER spend that kind of money on any Tama product, but would certainly spend it on a Ludwig". For me, it's one person's opinion...he's a Ludwig guy, nothing wrong with that. It sounds a little like the Ford, Chevy, Chrysler thing back in the day...everyone took sides and only liked their own.
Doesn't matter to me, the Tama Bell Brass snare is a unique, very limited production snare with great sound. For those interested, then its the drum for them...not for others. If I had the money, I would definitely add it to my collection.
Yes, that is the "PC" answer!!!!![]()
What is wrong with us?
Horn players I know speak of $8-10,000 vintage saxes as being the norm. And not even the top end.
We all know about 50's/60's Fender guitars: $15K or more, no big deal.
I occasionally gig with a guy who carries a B3 with Leslie cabinet to gigs in a trailer. He has several others at home as well. He tells me they're worth $30k in excellent shape. Even if he's off by 50%, that's still $15,000.
And yet a snare like this Tama model, made in an special alloy, in a special process, producing a wonderful tone, examples of which are on a number of famous recordings, and are very scarce to boot - and we act like $4000 or even $7500 is way out of line.
Drums don't get enough respect. Maybe not even from us....
Agreed. Drummers are (generally) the cheapest out of all of the musicians. How many times have you seen a kit with OLD heads 'cause the drummer is too cheap to replace them, regardless of how they sound?
For me, the one "bucket list" Tama snare is a 14x6.5 Rosewood about the timeframe as this bell brass drum. As for other brands, well, I don't have enough time to list all of them. A 20s Ludwig BB or NOB, or (on the new side) a Joyful Noise would be nice . Back OT, Donn Bennett had a couple of Elvin Jones' 80s Tama bell brass drums. It seems they went for 4k...
Thats a good one, Psych !!What is wrong with us?
Horn players I know speak of $8-10,000 vintage saxes as being the norm. And not even the top end.
We all know about 50's/60's Fender guitars: $15K or more, no big deal.
I occasionally gig with a guy who carries a B3 with Leslie cabinet to gigs in a trailer. He has several others at home as well. He tells me they're worth $30k in excellent shape. Even if he's off by 50%, that's still $15,000.
And yet a snare like this Tama model, made in an special alloy, in a special process, producing a wonderful tone, examples of which are on a number of famous recordings, and are very scarce to boot - and we act like $4000 or even $7500 is way out of line.
Drums don't get enough respect. Maybe not even from us....
Agreed. Drummers are (generally) the cheapest out of all of the musicians. How many times have you seen a kit with OLD heads 'cause the drummer is too cheap to replace them, regardless of how they sound?
#1 = harp players, maybe drummers are second but bass players rank right up there too. Harp players beat drummers by a mile, plus all of 'em have the Little Walter "chip on their shoulder the size of Texas" curse.
That's exactly the one I am selling right now. It's listed in the FOR SALE section.I remember seeing one of those Bell Brass snare drums when they were new. Seems to me they were around $1200 or more back then, around 1984. It had an unfinished look to it and looked rather fugly but man did it have tone!
Good stuff Rob...
I read where the 6.5 weighs in at 20 lbs. , ...whoa! thats pretty heavy
for a snare.
I checked a couple of the other forums... the prices seem to be all the place.
Does the term bell brass signify anything other then thicker brass shell ???
Peace, Chas
Interested in a trade for the one or mine that I posted the photo of.That's exactly the one I am selling right now. It's listed in the FOR SALE section.I remember seeing one of those Bell Brass snare drums when they were new. Seems to me they were around $1200 or more back then, around 1984. It had an unfinished look to it and looked rather fugly but man did it have tone!
Lars
Sorry, but I am not planning to trade.Interested in a trade for the one or mine that I posted the photo of.That's exactly the one I am selling right now. It's listed in the FOR SALE section.I remember seeing one of those Bell Brass snare drums when they were new. Seems to me they were around $1200 or more back then, around 1984. It had an unfinished look to it and looked rather fugly but man did it have tone!
Lars