Tell me about your set of sleeper cymbals

drummerjohn333

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This should be a fun thread.

No, you can't just mention one cymbal......that doesn't meet the challenge.

The challenge: List what your set of cymbals if all you could use was sleeper cymbals, typically cheap/entry level. No, you don't have to own all of them or post a pic or video, but you get extra credit if you can.

I go first:

No, I could not make a video of all these because I do not own all of them right now, but I have at one time or another.

Hihats: 14 inch Cambers....old buttery nickel silver. Runner up: 14 inch MIJ Pearl CX-500s
Crash: 16 inch B20 alloy "Argent"
Crash: 18 inch ZBT crash
Ride: 22 inch Paiste 400 Ride Runner up: 22 inch MIJ Pearl CX-500 Ride.

Notes: The Argent sounds just as good as the Sabian AA I have. Yes, the ZBT I had sounded great. Close your eyes and you thunk you were playing an old A.
 

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hats: thin wuhan 14" crash top, 90s B8 bottom, with a bell shaped cutout crack repair on the edge that tightens up the sound like Zildjian quick hats (if I take no crashes, I always take this set)
crash: a thin, complex, responsive Wuhan S-Series I picked up at the Lone Star PASIC booth--no power but it sounds full and interesting
ride: 24" Sabian APX ride that sounds like a Paiste
I also have a variety of Wuhan splashes that sound wonderful, and some Wuhan effect crashes that sound OK (I bring them out when I don't want to put miles on HHX O-Zones)
 

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A set of Paiste 404's (15" hi-hats, 18" crash-ride and 20" ride) that came with my first drum kit that I bought when I was 14. Beginner cymbals but they do sound great. Some say yhey're poor man's 2002 but I like the 404 ride best!
 

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The pearl wild cymbals are cool - they look like paiste rudes. I’ve got a pair of CB700 12” hats that are cool too.
 

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Ooh, I like this thread very much.

I’m a big fan of nickel silver, particularly Zyns. So I’d go with my 22” paper thin crash/ride on the right, a 20” 2-star Zyn I just picked up on the left, and a set of 15” Paiste Ludwig Standard hats.

I’ve gotta say, I was also very pleasantly surprised by a set of 14” Meinl Classics hats I got (for free!) a number of years ago. Very soft, mellow, sweet sound. Nothing like what I usually play, and they wouldn’t fit with the nickel silver stuff. So I’d have to think of a different setup if I were going to use those as my sleeper hats, but they’d be contenders, too.
 

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I'll chime in with my hi hat choice. Agop Xist 15" hats. The least expensive pair of hats I own but they sound great.
 

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When the Sabian XS-series cymbals first came out I thought they sounded much better than they had a right to considering their price at the time. But I only played them at drum shops and music stores, so I don't have enough experience with them to put together a set of specific models and sizes.
 

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I would say Sabian XSR, specifically the big and ugly series. I have said before that I went cymbal shopping with a budget about 3x the cost of the "XSR, B&U pack". For what I needed at the time, they fit the bill perfectly. After initially overlooking "those cheap cymbals", I brought them home.

Istanbul Agop Xist are great too.

For bonus points...
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Zilco is a another great cymbal that gets overlooked
I would easily do a set
If you can find these
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Yup. That's my go-to. Sellers are catching on though. Getting tough to find them for really low prices. I'm still working on a complete set. Really want to find a 20" 40s-50s Zilco. Don't think they were in a catalog, but there's probably some out there. I know there's a 22" trans / Zilco double stamp.
Lots of 70s 20" Zilcos around. Not the same though.

Also missing a proper pair to make hats. This is where I'm at:

18" Zilco Con paperthin. Ridiculous.
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16" Zilco Con paperthin
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15" Zilco Con paperthin -GREAT top hat-
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15" Zilco Con extra thin & wavy splash
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13" Zilco Con wavy splash
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Sabian SR2 - the treasure hunt of cymbals! I rock a full set often, a set made one piece at a time over the years. I see some hand hammering, or a great weight, and I grab em up. I like a thin cymbal generally, so when you take a hand hammered Sabian and then lathe it thinner, and then drop the price by about 50-75% - yeah, I’m in. The fugly logos are easily removed with acetone and then they look as classy as they sound.

The pictured SR2 setup:
15” Thin over Med hats, 17” Thin crash, 20” Thin crash/ride with 2 rivets, 22” Thin

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I'll chime in with my hi hat choice. Agop Xist 15" hats. The least expensive pair of hats I own but they sound great.
The XIST series has some very good options to it.

On the 15" hats, I have a soft/sloshy set by using two XIST crashes. If I'd like a slightly louder sound, I swap one of the crashes out and use a Pasha top as a bottom.
 

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The XIST series has some very good options to it.

On the 15" hats, I have a soft/sloshy set by using two XIST crashes. If I'd like a slightly louder sound, I swap one of the crashes out and use a Pasha top as a bottom.
My xist hats (shown above) are actually a Sabian Paragon 13" bottom and a 13" Xist crash for the top.
 

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Sabian SR2 - the treasure hunt of cymbals! I rock a full set often, a set made one piece at a time over the years. I see some hand hammering, or a great weight, and I grab em up. I like a thin cymbal generally, so when you take a hand hammered Sabian and then lathe it thinner, and then drop the price by about 50-75% - yeah, I’m in. The fugly logos are easily removed with acetone and then they look as classy as they sound.
+1 for the SR2s.

So cheap, and still (by definition) pro level. My main gigging set up includes a 21" and a pair of 15" hats, and I'm blown away by their sound every time I play them.
 

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Is it fair to say pre-AA Sabians are sleepers? I don’t have any experience with them, and they seem to go for lower prices relative to other vintage cymbals.
 

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My first set of cymbals were decent for what they were and when it was, 1986. Wasn't a lot of entry level stuff then that was good but I had a set of new Camber 14" HH's that sounded good but would turn inside out once in a while if my foot was too heavy. The crash was a used Meinl 16" Classic and a CB700 20" Ride, I don't know who made the ride but it was pretty comparable to a Zildjian A Medium at least for a 15 year old basher.
 


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