I hate that I’m hammering on my own thread when it was originally intended to be more of a survey-ish-type dealio, it’s just that the conversation has got me thinking about more and more stuff…
I’ve always been aware of the somewhat nebulous aspect of some of the drum things. The possibly varying definitions from player to player of a shuffle is one. I remember an argument between a bass player and guitar player about whether, “Some Kind Of Wonderful” by Grand Funk is a shuffle. Bass player‘s take was yes but guitar guy said no, a shuffle is more like, “Pride And Joy” by SRV. It got kinda heated, actually, which surprised me coz they were both sober at the time. Haha
Anyway, thinking about the “nebulous factor“ brought another example to my mind. For whatever reason, I’ve wound up in a metric ton of blues situations so far in my life (to call it a career would be pretentious in my case). More than once, blues guitar guys have mentioned playing “against” the drummer. Like, “Ok, on this one, I need to play “against” you.” Or, “Yeah, on that song, Sighted Orange Washington (or whoever) played against the drummer.”
At first, I thought that was kind of a negative thing, but it turns out that it’s just a term for a certain way of playing. But I sure couldn’t tell ya what it is, nor could any of the guitar guys who mentioned it and I asked them about it after. They all just said, “I dunno, but that’s what it is.”
And then there’s what I personally consider to be the most mysterious bit regarding shuffle-type stuff, and that’s playing‘ “in the cracks”. Not quite shuffling but not quite straight 8th’s either. Some guys just do it naturally, like Charlie Watts but other guys, like Steve Gadd, can do it on command. Nutty.
Whew! Sorry for the diatribe.
I’d better skip the Ethiopian coffee before posting from now on.
Funny was thinking of starting this exact topic. Should be fun. I will have some examplesThe thread about the fabbalusly fabbalus Mr. Below developed an interesting byproduct (well, interesting to me, anyway) regarding different drummers’ perceptions of what is, or isn’t, a shuffle.
So I ask,
Regarding this cut,
YEP, it’s a shuffle?…and if so, why?
NOPE, it t’aint?…and if so, why not?
Now there’s another nuance to consider.Only time it’s wrong is if doesn’t work with the band. Guess that can go for more than just a shuffle. To paraphrase Todd Suchermann. “…all depends on how you stick it”.
On my phone, I can’t really hear the hihat (typical Nashville) to tell if it’s a shuffle in 3 or not. But during the solos, anyway, if feels like a 3/4 shuffle to me, especially factoring in the rhythm guitar.
Definitely a shuffle.My first selection for debate:
I believe it’s Keltner on drums
It's shuffling, and it's a waltz. Waltz shuffle? But a shuffle, because it's shuffling and the band is shuffling.Selection 2:
Trick question since it’s called a shuffle in the title. Not many would pull this off and probably not what you would play on a pick up gig if a shuffle is called