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Exactly, that’s why I’m of the opinion that nobody’s take is what I’d call “wrong”, like I mentioned earlier. Too many variables.
For example, even within the bounds of what I’ve always known as the Chicago shuffle, this fella’s swing 8ths are ALMOST pairs of straight 16th’s…BUT…tell me it doesn’t swing.
So there ya go.

I’m shuttin’ up now. I’m hogging my own doggone thread ova heeya.
Exactly, that’s why I’m of the opinion that nobody’s take is what I’d call “wrong”, like I mentioned earlier. Too many variables.
For example, even within the bounds of what I’ve always known as the Chicago shuffle, this fella’s swing 8ths are ALMOST pairs of straight 16th’s…BUT…tell me it doesn’t swing.
So there ya go.

I’m shuttin’ up now. I’m hogging my own doggone thread ova heeya.
Runnin' Blue is George Rains on drums, who has been Jimmy Vaughn's drummer forever, and was the house drummer at Antones. He is a shuffle King
 

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My first selection for debate:

I believe it’s Keltner on drums
So I recognize this as a basic shuffle pattern, snare on the 3, ghost notes.

Going with the "nebulous" definition here beyond that pattern a swing beat and/or ghost notes can also push you into the shuffle range.

I'm still absorbing.
 

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Not sure if there IS a “wrong“ here, it’s more about individual perception.
It’s a shuffle , just like the Fred Below song was .
Jiminy XMas , I don’t care what your opinion is , the rhythm of the song is a shuffle …..
 

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The thread about the fabbalusly fabbalus Mr. Below developed an interesting byproduct (well, interesting to me, anyway) regarding different drummers’ perceptions of what is, or isn’t, a shuffle.

So I ask,
Regarding this cut,
YEP, it’s a shuffle?…and if so, why?
or…
NOPE, it t’aint?…and if so, why not?

Definitely a shuffle. No question. Cause it swings.
 

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We used to call that a business man's bounce , every body knew exactly what approach to take , and here's the big " IF " -

If you were in with the right players .

More rock orientated players would invariably articulate a humpty dumpty feel -

Hump-tee-Dump -tee Hump-tee-dump-tee etc .

you got memphis shuffles,flat tire ( luois Jordan), chicago shuffles , new orleans shuffles , texas ( scrub) shuffles and it wouldn't be a bad idea to do some homework before entering the sometimes cruel , unforgiving arena of the bandstand . When learning a second or third language, it pays to grasp the importance of differing inflections, syntax,grammar and phonetics peculiar to the dialect . This may be one of the reasons that drum loops are often unsuccessful in capturing the nuanced variations of shuffle beats . F. Below, in that video , was surrounded by players who had mastered the genre and he could really shine . Everybody leaning on everybody else .
A thousand times yes !!!!
 

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As long as someone in the song is playing

Dunt duh-dunt. Duh-dunt duh-dunt

It’s a shuffle no two ways about it .

It’s simply a musical fact …
 

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As long as someone in the song is playing

Dunt duh-dunt. Duh-dunt duh-dunt

It’s a shuffle no two ways about it .

It’s simply a musical fact …
Ok. I’m with you so far.
But what kinds of shuffles don’t swing? I don’t get it.
 

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Smokin' In The Boys Room by Motley. It's a shuffle, but it doesn't swing. Perfect example.
I’m not a fan of the song no matter who covers it but how does it not swing?

Or do we need to define “swing” and do we have the next 50 years for that discussion?
 


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