The perfect all-purpose crashable ride

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In some contexts I need to take a drastically reduced drum set and I want a crashable ride. My vintage A is a big crash that can kinda ride but loses articulation and my K custom medium ride is a ride that can't crash. I'm considering getting a single cymbal that can do both reasonably well, for situations where I need a minimalist setup.

If you had to have literally ONE cymbal other than your hats for a gig - you needed it to sound reasonably articulate and crash reasonably well, with a reasonably decent bell sound, what would you choose?

I don't care if it's called a crash or called a ride or called a crash ride - I just need something that would do both reasonably well.

Any recommendations? Thanks
 

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This one has worked well for me.
I realize it's a prototype, but I think you could come close to something like this with several Sabian models ... especially the Weckl rides.


 

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Without question in my mind, it's the Zildjian 20" A Medium Thin Crash, or the same thing in Crash/Ride because it's basically the same cymbal. I have one of them and it really does ride and crash beautifully. It's actually my go to ride, even though it's stamped crash.
 

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I would take one of two 60s 20" As most likely, which one depends a bit on the volume.
Higher volume-->higher weight.

Or you take a Sabain Omni, all the crash and ride you could want, in one cymbal. Reason I don't own one is just that it's too much of a split-personality cymbal for my feel, and the overall timbre wasn't that great on the ones I tired. Performance is killer though.
 

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This one has worked well for me.
I realize it's a prototype, but I think you could come close to something like this with several Sabian models ... especially the Weckl rides.


I've been a Zildjian guy for a long time, mostly because it's what I know and availability etc. But I did some looking based on this recommendation, and both of these sound great to me:


But then the idea to keep looking at vintage As 20" from the 60s - that's my wheelhouse...
 

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The Oni sounds great too.

And the 20" Zildjian A medium thin. That might be the closest to what I have in my head. I might be an "A guy" at heart. Love my new beats, always loved that brighter more present tone.

These are all awesome.
 

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I often play with just one cymbal and a set of hats, and I use a medium thin 21" ride. I've owned a few medium and medium thin Bosphorus Traditional and Turk cymbals that were perfect crash rides.
 

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20" K crash/ride. I had one & loved it. I have a 21" K crash/ride now but it's more ride. It has brilliant finish too.
 
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Thanks - the K crash ride sounds great. I'm not ready to move on anything yet, though. Just prepping my drums for a minimalist thing* this weekend and it got me thinking I want to find that perfect all-purpose crash-ride. Initial research.

If I was ready to move on something though, the K crash ride sounds fantastic.

*OT:

"Minimalist" for me is only 4 drums instead of the usual 6 or 7 and only 2 main cymbals and 1 splash - rather than 4 main cymbals and 3 splashes. I might be using the term "minimalist" wrong IDK. -- I watch like Scary Pockets or some of these nu-funk bands with literally 2 drums and 1 cymbal and I almost gasp. How could you SURVIVE IT?!

But when listening to the music, I never really miss the other stuff, and it probably helps the drummers stay in the pocket better. I just don't think I have the guts. 4 piece is as low as I can go right now. But eventually a perfect all-purpose crash ride might help me make the transition to the true minimalist setup that is all the rage right now.
 

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Sabian, AA, 20" Raw Bell Crash. It was my go to cymbal for Bikini kit gigs for quite a while. Sold it, some sellers remorse.
Zildjian, 21" A Sweet Ride was it's predecessor, liked that one too.
Sold it, some sellers remorse.
I don't know what's next, I have a 60's A, 22 CR that could work with a Bikini rig.
I liked the 20 best for hats and one cymbal set up.
 

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I forgot to mention this one.
This is a phenomenal one cymbal do it all setup.
Again, it's a Prototype, but what a cymbal.

 
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Had a modern 20 A crash/ride model and thought it didn't really do anything very well but was passable. Other specimens may be perfect though but I wasn't impressed.
My 60's A ride does a better job and the Paiste 602 Modern essentials I have is also very good.
 

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I feel that the answer to this question depends a lot on the average volume of the music you're playing. Something that would be perfect at medium volumes might not open up enough to be a good crash in a low volume situation, or wash out too much when the music gets heavier. My starting point from within my collection would be a 20" K Custom Dark Ride, which covers the middle of the range pretty well, and go up or down in size/weight based on what the situation and music requires.
 

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This is essentially the type of cymbal I collect, so I have a bunch that I use. Most are “one offs” (as opposed to a specific model), but I’ll list some of them for whatever it might be worth.

22” thin old K
I got this way back before the prices went through the roof, but if you want the best and money’s no object, go here.

22” medium-thin Nolan
Matt makes phenomenal cymbals ... nuff said.

24” paperthin old A
Very, very thin 24’s can excel in this role and
pop up for sale now and then.

20” thin old A
Readily available, affordable, and the standard bearer.

20” thin Bettis
Have Matt make you one to your own spec’s!

20” or 22” medium-thin Paiste protos
Essentially Twenty Lights (pre Masters), and these function great as rides and crashes.

I could bring any of these to a one-cymbal gig and not be left wanting. There are many viable options.
 

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I feel that the answer to this question depends a lot on the average volume of the music you're playing. Something that would be perfect at medium volumes might not open up enough to be a good crash in a low volume situation, or wash out too much when the music gets heavier. My starting point from within my collection would be a 20" K Custom Dark Ride, which covers the middle of the range pretty well, and go up or down in size/weight based on what the situation and music requires.
This is a good question, and with the 2 I have now it seems relevant. The 60s A is fine when playing pretty quiet but washes out pretty quickly with added volume. The K custom medium ride I have to HAMMER IT to get it to open up - like way louder that I would ever play.

I'm not a "heavy hitter" but I play pop and funk and sometimes we get cranking up pretty good...

So I guess I play kind of "medium" volume.
 

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20” thin old A
Readily available, affordable, and the standard bearer.
This has me wondering - without a ton of experience I think my old A is really washy, like more than most, and maybe another one would be less so? I love the sound of it - I'll go with it this weekend for my best all-purpose option...but I wonder would thinner be "better" if mine is too washy, or should I look for heavier than what I have? (I know weight is only one factor, but 2 vintage Zildjian A ride from the same era...weight is a factor from one to the next)...
 


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