The redesigned A Medium Ride

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drumkiat said:
To others who have owned/played this cymbal, do you guys think it could do jazz for you guys?
Yes, the newer A Medium rides are mellow with a good amount of wash. Definition is good, but I would definitely not call them pingy. Plus they're quite crashable. Just a great all-around cymbal in my opinion.
 

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712drummer said:
Yes. I have played small group and big band jazz with the ride and it works fine.
Redbeard77 said:
Yes, the newer A Medium rides are mellow with a good amount of wash. Definition is good, but I would definitely not call them pingy. Plus they're quite crashable. Just a great all-around cymbal in my opinion.
What sticks/tips do you guys use on this cymbal? In my experience the stick tip can alter the definition of the ride drastically, which is obviously crucial for jazz. I find some tips unbearably pingy for jazz, and some quite good.

I think I'm having a preference for barrel like tips on this cymbal for jazz. What about you all?
 

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Using Vic Firth sticks as comparison, I find the common stick tip such as 5A too harsh for jazz playing on this cymbal.

In my experience I prefer the tips on the Steve Jordan (SJOR) signature stick, or the Keith Carlock (SKC) signature stick. IMO they produce an attack on the cymbal that is a lot less cutting, and much more suitable for jazz IMHO.

Gerry, the SD4 certainly looks the part for me! Do you find that there's a difference between that stick and your others?
 

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Zenstat, for your records, i picked up a redesigned 20" A Medium ride today, weighs 2290g ,,, sounds nice, not a million miles away from my 602 medium reissue.
I'm guessing that weight is more on the heavy side for the redesigns ?

Anyone else still playing one of these are how heavy is yours ?
 
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Couldn't agree more. I never had any luck with the 80s/90s A cymbals floating around. The redesign is great. The ones I've tried really impressed.
 

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Comparing mine more closely with a 602 medium ride, they have many similarity's , good stick to wash ratio, but the A has a certain smokiness to the sound and has more "vibe" or "soul",, the 602 is a cleaner , more glassy refined sound. each has their place but zildjian makes me want to keep hitting it :)
I'll need to play lots more varied rooms to see how each behaves, the 602 has been great for really large rooms and weddings,, add a 5B (instead of my usual 5A) and it carries the band.

Funny how i started with A's and seem to be ending up back at square one,, 18 thin crash, 20" medium ride and 14" new beats. job done.
 

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The redesign is the best thing Zildjian did in 20 years, maybe 30. I mean, I bought a 20" Ping Ride and the thing is crashable! That's not something you could do with an 80's-era Ping. Their 18" Crash Ride is great, too.




Dan
 

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I had a newish 20 crash/ride which I recently sold.. took me a while to learn how to coax the sound I wanted out of it but I was still never 100% happy with it, and its bell was a bit too much compared to its ride capabilities.
The medium suits me much better.
 

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The redesign 24" A Medium Ride makes me smile whenever I play it. It does everything I want a ride to do.
 

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I had the 22 redesign and just didn't like it at all. It seemed significantly heavier than medium, the crash was incredibly gongy and the ping was overwhelming.
 

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I need to check the A redesigns out. A’s sucked so hard for so long I’ve frankly ignored new ones for years.
You should , i too had turned my nose up at A's for years but these new ones are different.

I briefly tried some redesign new beats which were very nice but i slightly preferred my 70's ones, the new ones sounded a little zingy to me, I'm sure they would darken a little with age and probably sound perfect after a little patina, sweat and grime got on them.
I've heard some 80's new beats and they were also really good .

The 20 redesign medium i got is a really nice cymbal, real depth and character,,, I'm really very pleasantly surprised by it,,,, I've bought and sold countless vintage A's in the search for "the one" but if i was in the market for a good A , I'd be looking at these new ones.
The medium i got has been run in for me with a good bit of patina and sweat/grime on it already,,, brand new I'm guessing it might have been a hair brighter sounding.

I will say i was a little disappointed with a modern 20 crash/ride i had for a bit,,,much prefer the medium ride.
 

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I had the 22 redesign and just didn't like it at all. It seemed significantly heavier than medium, the crash was incredibly gongy and the ping was overwhelming.
I don't suppose you remember the exact weight of that one ? I guess some dogs still manage to escape .
 

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I will say i was a little disappointed with a modern 20 crash/ride i had for a bit,,,much prefer the medium ride.
Funny, it´s the other way ´round for me. I had a 2015 20" Medium Ride that was rather nice but never really spoke to me. Sold it, missed it, gave the Crash Ride a try, and bingo - the sound I was looking for. A little darker, a little more delicate, and a warmer crash. Excellent cymbal.
 


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