But therein is the rub....is it not? Not many possess the talent to both play AND create.dale w miller said:Whenever I see videos like this I always ask myself why. Hes an incredible talent, yes, but this is an incredible waste of talent. Stop trying to imimitate someone else and go create something of your own.
And who would most people rather be? Ill take Ringo Starr over this guy and Im not a Ringo fan per se.Mongrel said:But therein is the rub....is it not? Not many possess the talent to both play AND create.Whenever I see videos like this I always ask myself why. Hes an incredible talent, yes, but this is an incredible waste of talent. Stop trying to imimitate someone else and go create something of your own.
I mean look at the Beatles. On the one hand the worst musicians in the world, but on the other hand they were creative enough to have 17 number hit records...
I suppose every gig is a cover gig. Unless you're the lead and only singer songwriter. Brian Blade plays with Wayne Shorter, it's a cover gig for everyone except Wayne. Todd Sucherman plays with Stxy, it's a cover gig. Vinnie plays with Sting, it's a cover gig.dale w miller said:
Look, Im not meaning to rag on the guy. Its just with the Internet these days, we are going to run out of true artists as everyone is getting famous playing other peoples music in their bedroom. And with a guy as talented as this, its sad.Polska said:Okay, so I don't know this guy from Adam, but you're slagging someone who tours in a project started by drummer Roger Taylor, plays guitar, bass and drums, and has recorded a few discs of original music that he and his band tour in support of. I haven't heard any of his music, but I'm impressed.
I suppose every gig is a cover gig. Unless you're the lead and only singer songwriter. Brian Blade plays with Wayne Shorter, it's a cover gig for everyone except Wayne. Todd Sucherman plays with Stxy, it's a cover gig. Vinnie plays with Sting, it's a cover gig.jaymandude said:
that was exactly my point.xsabers said:Well stated and I couldn't agree more, but I will say I believe Jay was inserting a little sarcasm to refute the previous comments that were reducing individual efforts as being less significant due to being covers. I won't pretend to speak for him, but that was my take.
If this really is Todd Sucherman, welcome and I am a huge fan of your work. I always appreciate your videos and efforts to share your knowledge and experience. Thanks.
" Hey, there's this guy on drumforum.org calling your gig a cover gig"Todd Sucherman said:Hi everyone,
Its not like me to chime in anywhere these days, and Id like to say hello, and then apologize if my first post here has any negative overtones at all. Its not meant to at all, but the written word can be taken so many ways. A forum has a debate and discussion connotation by definition, so here I go with a bit of perspective and correction. I also realize my comment here has nothing to do with the original topic of this thread and for that I apologize, but.this is mainly directed at the declaration from Jaymandude regarding my employment.
I take issue with my gig (or Vinnies, or Brians) being described as a cover gig. First off, Im wildly humbled and incredibly (surprised) and proud that my work on Styxs The Mission won Best Recorded Performance in the Modern Drummer Magazine Readers Poll this year. Thats 14 tracks of my original work, some of it is performed live and all of it will be performed live at some point. There are seven or so records over the years with (my era original) music that have been performed on stage that contain my original drum parts. (The two fills in One With Everything from the Cyclorama record appears in DRUM! Magazines 200 Greatest Drum Moments Of All Time issue.)
While its true that I play music with a band that sold 30 million records before I ever came to be in the picture, theres plenty of music that has my stamp on it as well. But to call it a cover gig? Lets look at what a gig is like on this level Aside from the music (learned and created) which is obviously a huge and critical part of the equation (pleasing your employers, clientele, fan base, etc) theres so many other aspects one must master and navigate successfully. You must deal with band member dynamics, personnel idiosyncrasies, bands families and friends, dealing with management, managers, promoters, agents, interviewers, publicists, the crew, multiple bands and their crew, constant demands on time, constant requests for tickets, constant ticket requests for dealers and musical instrument manufactures and after show passes for all, 100 flights a year, millions of miles travelled, inconsistent sleep and meal times, being away from your family for weeks at a time, missing weddings-funerals-family reunions. Missing your daughters first dance recital. To be able to balance and juggle this lifestyle and all that goes into it and do it successfully for years and years? Well, this is no cover gig.
Jay, for you to reduce what I do (or Vinnie or Brian or anyone) as a cover gig is as preposterous as it is for me to reduce and assume that your cover gig is playing Mustang Sally with guys who pay their bills with day jobs- while playing for sixteen drunk people, most of whom are shooting pool.
Again, I apologize if this seems snarky or agitated. It is not intended that way at all. Im just trying to share some perspective and correct information- and if I can try (or die trying) to make the internet a slightly nicer place, I will attempt to do so.
Oh man, I'm sorry it even got to this. Nobody's fault I suppose Again, continued success, travel safe on the road, best to your family, and enjoy Austin until the summer comesTodd Sucherman said:Jay,
Thanks, and as I said, sometimes the written word can be taken a certain way that is unintended . So if I misread or the sarcasm didnt come through, that is entirely my fault.
Wishing you and all the drum brothers and sisters here (and everywhere) good vibes, good gigs and peace.