Tony Williams had a good tilt on his 13 &14 toms. I could never play his setup, especially traditional grip....BUT it certainly worked for him. I'm somewhere between his and Ginger...decent angle so I don't get hung up on the tom hoops. Have you all noticed that they have shortened the main tube of snare stands? I have a Yamaha without the off set, and if I wanted to have the snare higher and tipped toward me I'd be in trouble. My snare is flat and I raise my wrists a little...matched grip primarily.