Yeah, just the thought of Buddy being "even better" doesn't come easilyI don’t know, the thought of Buddy Rich playing matched grip for all those years just doesn’t compute in my brain. I can’t even picture how different drumming would have been had he played matched.
Some things are better left alone...
I've been playing a mix of trad and matched with butt out* on the left for 50 years. The switch from trad to that is much easier for me than the switch from trad to matched with the tip out.Reverse matched is butt end out in left.
Yeah!Traditional grip developed during the 18th and 19th centuries strictly to overcome the tilt that a snare drum has when marching with it hanging over your shoulder on a sling. This tilts the drum away from the left hand, which would force the drummer's left elbow uncomfortably away from the body using matched grip. So this less-than-ideal left-hand grip evolved to allow the drummer to play more comfortably for long periods while marching. Today's marching drum holders place the drumhead perfectly level, so traditional grip is no longer even required for marching.
Not weird at all. I often play ride in french, snare in German grip.My right hand is generally French and my left hand German when I'm playing on the right side of the kit. When I'm on the left side of the kit, my right hand is German and my left hand is American. Weird!
At the end of the day, just play whatever grip works best for you and focus on making the best music you can. That’s all that matters.I played 90% trad grip all my life, and about 75% of my students learned trad grip. Today if I were to teach again, I'd recommend matched, because I can't think of any situation anymore that demands trad grip - even the vast majority of marching settings use matched.
Having said that, I have no plans to switch. And I'm not worried about injury, I don't play but a fraction of the number of hours that Dave Weckl surely does, and most of my playing is relatively quiet. In my 50 years of drumming, I've never met anyone who was injured by trad grip, the incidence is probably extremely low.
Logic does indicate that matched is probably more natural -- HOWEVER, the statement that non-drummers always pick up sticks in matched is not always true... a lot of people grab the sticks in a manner that more closely approximates trad grip (in both hands), I've seen it many times. Admittedly that is less common.
What I find interesting is just how totally different the two grips are. Not just the arm/wrist movement... everything. The basic fulcrum is totally different. One is at the base of the thumb, with the thumb, the other is between the tip of the thumb and the joint of the index finger. The relationship between the other fingers and the stick is totally different. The direction that the sticks are pointing is totally different (matched points straight ahead, trad points left to right). Where the fulcrum falls on the stick is different - so the effective length of the stick is different. How the fingers initiate and stop the rebound is entirely different. Nearly every detail is different.
Therefore, it surprises me even more that drummers do essentially the exact same things with either grip. One would expect that with so many differences, we'd be talking about what one can do with one grip versus the other. But really, the differences are so minor that it is debatable whether there are any at all. There should be more differences, but in reality it seems to all come down to what you practiced as a kid.
... or Steve FerroneYeah, just the thought of Buddy being "even better" doesn't come easily
That's the thing with grip - In the end you adapt to what you need in the moment. A lot of players think French is only a first finger fulcrum grip for playing softly. That could be part of it, but more importantly, French can be German with your wrists turned inward and your sticks parallel. I often use French with a middle finger fulcrum and it's more versatile than one would usually think.You know, I'm glad this thread came up. I had never really analyzed my grip till today. I always just did what felt natural and comfortable. I thought I was always in the realm of American matched and I discovered today that I'm not. My right hand is generally French and my left hand German when I'm playing on the right side of the kit. When I'm on the left side of the kit, my right hand is German and my left hand is American. Weird!
Yup. This ^ . That’s why I don’t really get involved in grip discussions.That's the thing with grip - In the end you adapt to what you need in the moment. A lot of players think French is only a first finger fulcrum grip for playing softly. That could be part of it, but more importantly, French can be German with your wrists turned inward and your sticks parallel. I often use French with a middle finger fulcrum and it's more versatile than one would usually think.
Isolating and understanding the 3 main different grips helped me transition from trad grip. If you add up German/French/American, and combine at least three different basic fulcrums, my left hand went from one grip to nine.
Who says anything to do with music makes 'common sense'?Ask a kid to pick up a pair of drum sticks and unless they are crazy they’ll pick them up matched grip. Then get them to move their wrist and the stick and chances are they’ll hold the stick with the German grip because that’s the way the way the wrist wants to hinge.
Then start them hitting a pad. Show them that weak hand will learn from the strong hand.
It’s not rocket science it’s common sense. If trad grip was better we’d be playing both hands that way. We don’t because that would be stupid.
BTW playing brushes works fine with matched grip too. I’m just sorry I wasted a lot of time playing sticks with matched grip and brushes with trad. It was dumb.