Two vintage Ludwig Super Classic scores today

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I really REALLY wasn't setting out to purchase any new drums this year (vintage or otherwise), but I was presented with a combo deal today that I simply couldn't resist. The first set is a single-owner White Marine Pearl Super Classic. Shells are Mahogany/Poplar/Mahogany, and are date stamped Sept 20 and 24, 1966. Apparently, his dad bought them for him in late '66 when he was 14 yo. They are pretty darned immaculate, with almost no yellowing of the wrap. They seem to have been very well cared for. The only mods were a Ludwig center post addition and more modern BD spurs. I think he might've also had the hoops repainted recently; they look great - inlays are intact and perfect. Here's a couple of pics from the consignment store I got them from:

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The second set is a Maple/Poplar/Maple Super Classic in Black Diamond Pearl, with date stamps of May 10, 13, and 14, 1969. These look great as well, with no shell or wrap issues at all. The two mods on this set are peculiar, however. For some reason, the original owner(?) decided that he preferred to move the mounted tom's internal muffler to the same panel as the badge, so there are 2 tiny holes where the muffler originally was. The BDP hides the original holes well, at least. But the other mod had me scratching my head: he cut out 2 small chunks of the bass drum batter hoop where the pedal would normally attach. It was done by a real woodworker, as it looks clean and smooth, but why?? Nevertheless, they look and sound just great. Both sets sound wonderful. Chrome hardware is superb on both: shiny and pit-free. I am very happy to have lucked into this today and thought I'd share! I'll try to get better pics with my own camera soon.

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the other mod had me scratching my head: he cut out 2 small chunks of the bass drum batter hoop where the pedal would normally attach. It was done by a real woodworker, as it looks clean and smooth, but why??
Wild guess: wanted speed king closer to the batter head. Some versions have longer metal rail spacers that prevent the pedal from getting too close, causing an overextended impact angle instead of something more parallel to the head. (I think the goal of those spacers was to prevent the cam from rubbing against it. Other models had shorter metal rails removable rubber bumpers.)
 

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Wild guess: wanted speed king closer to the batter head. Some versions have longer metal rail spacers that prevent the pedal from getting too close, causing an overextended impact angle instead of something more parallel to the head. (I think the goal of those spacers was to prevent the cam from rubbing against it. Other models had shorter metal rails removable rubber bumpers.)
I'll bet you are exactly right. The set did come into the shop with a Speed King. Good call!
 

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I really REALLY wasn't setting out to purchase any new drums this year (vintage or otherwise), but I was presented with a combo deal today that I simply couldn't resist. The first set is a single-owner White Marine Pearl Super Classic. Shells are Mahogany/Poplar/Mahogany, and are date stamped Sept 20 and 24, 1966. Apparently, his dad bought them for him in late '66 when he was 14 yo. They are pretty darned immaculate, with almost no yellowing of the wrap. They seem to have been very well cared for. The only mods were a Ludwig center post addition and more modern BD spurs. I think he might've also had the hoops repainted recently; they look great - inlays are intact and perfect. Here's a couple of pics from the consignment store I got them from:

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The second set is a Maple/Poplar/Maple Super Classic in Black Diamond Pearl, with date stamps of May 10, 13, and 14, 1969. These look great as well, with no shell or wrap issues at all. The two mods on this set are peculiar, however. For some reason, the original owner(?) decided that he preferred to move the mounted tom's internal muffler to the same panel as the badge, so there are 2 tiny holes where the muffler originally was. The BDP hides the original holes well, at least. But the other mod had me scratching my head: he cut out 2 small chunks of the bass drum batter hoop where the pedal would normally attach. It was done by a real woodworker, as it looks clean and smooth, but why?? Nevertheless, they look and sound just great. Both sets sound wonderful. I am very happy to have lucked into this today and thought I'd share! I'll try to get better pics with my own camera soon.

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Very nice! Enjoy!
 

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That WMP looks awfully "white" for that age. I had the same kit, bought brand new in '66. But when I sold it about ten years ago it had yellowed substantially. I have never been a smoker but played for thirty-five years in clubs where the smoke was so thick you couldn't see the back of the wall of the room. I'm sure that was the reason all band gear yellowed so badly in those years. Nice catch.
 

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Nice scores. I would probably move those mufflers back to the right location on that BDP set. That is a pretty odd mod. Kind of a shame about the WMP set. I love that colo as it is so classy. I'm sure they both sound great though!
 

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That WMP looks awfully "white" for that age. I had the same kit, bought brand new in '66. But when I sold it about ten years ago it had yellowed substantially. I have never been a smoker but played for thirty-five years in clubs where the smoke was so thick you couldn't see the back of the wall of the room. I'm sure that was the reason all band gear yellowed so badly in those years. Nice catch.
Thanks! That was the main appeal of the WMP set for me - the relative cleanness of the drums and lack of substantial yellowing. There is definitely some yellowing, but it's subtle.

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There's also a slight bit of seam lift on one underside of the BD, but it's nothing I'm worried about. It's likely been that way for years.

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Nice scores. I would probably move those mufflers back to the right location on that BDP set. That is a pretty odd mod. Kind of a shame about the WMP set. I love that colo as it is so classy. I'm sure they both sound great though!
I thought about it, but not sure I'd want two small holes right above the badge. I may just leave it where it is. Actually, it's entirely because of these quirky mods that I was able to get them both so cheap!
 


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