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Ultra Thin Bendable Crash-Ride Cymbals
- Thread starter Rattlin' Bones
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I recently got a 19” Zildjian K Constantinople Crash Ride and had them install two rivets. Fantastic cymbal that does double duty.
Rattlin' Bones
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Yeah no riding just crashes. But I have two of the 16" versions at around 900g so I know what they sound like when riding. I like the crash and ride of the 16". I'm thinking the crash would be similar but ride a itty bit lower in pitch.
Maybe Hazelshould would do a little extra riding demo if you ask him? (edit: even though ride sound is very sensitive to stick choice/playing style). I think that 17“ might be a great little left-side cymbal. Not the splashiest crash, but versatile and with some body and color to it.
Rattlin' Bones
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You know - about rivets. On a thin cymbal I love the effect that rivets add. Works great backing instruments like keys or sax. Backing a guitar or a brass instrument I like a heavier ride sound with more stick definition. But I found when backing a singer in jazz setting I could never use such a cymbal with rivets it just kinda sounded wrong. Not sure why. And in our small jazz combo I never really crash, so I sold it (old 50's Zildjian 16"). Now that I'm going to play with a hardcore blues band I crash a lot and need one again, but I thought one without rivets would allow me to use it as ride with jazz combo too and might work better than my previous riveted crash behind singer when a higher pitch needed for riding. Hence right now I'm not looking for rivets. Any thoughts on that? Maybe I need 2 new cymbals lol one a very thin 20" or 22" crash/ride with rivets, and the smaller 18"-19" ultra thin crash with rivets.
Rattlin' Bones
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I use light thin maple sticks with small tips.
wolfereeno
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A very flexy fun crash ride is a crash of doom. Thin and sounds great as a primary ride on quiet gigs.
Rattlin' Bones
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Any of those first three I posted links on qualify? They are ultra thin and flex.
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Rattlin' Bones
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I live close to Cincinnati. Cymbal House has the 17" I can demo. It's $42 more than Hazel on Reverb. Hazel does offer full refunds, but you gotta pay for shipping both ways which more than likely would eat the $42 difference if I didn't like. I love Cymbal House I recommend them to anyone within a few hours of Cincinnati. He's great. That's all he does. Small store in historic district across river from Cincy. A very nice day I can spend time at Cymbal House, have a nice lunch at one of the cool restaurants in area. It's just a great day.
Cymbal House Cincinnati
What I may do is perhaps order from Hazel one of the cymbals that Cymbal House does not have in stock and try it.
Since you are fond of the sound of smaller cymbals and want a higher pitch, I’ll rescind my previous suggestion since I was thinking a thin 19 or 20. It would seem to me that something like a Sabian HH 16-17” crash or maybe an Istanbul Agop Xist might work. I just sold a 17” Xist that was great.
Rattlin' Bones
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So
Sounds a lot like my Bos New Orleans I have now. Great for a ride but that crash is too long and low of pitch for me.
drumtimejohn
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I have a 40/50s 16+” around 900g that is flexible enough to taco. Keeping with the metaphor, it a floppy wrap on a stand. The weight is tucked into the interior and the edges are quite thin and soft yet doesn’t present as fragile. Certainly an impractical design for many and perhaps a lost craft as a result. Never seen anything like it.
Gcort49
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Try: https://www.hazelshould.com/
Jerry always has some thin bendables...don't know his present inventory, but worth a 'see'
Jerry always has some thin bendables...don't know his present inventory, but worth a 'see'
CAMDRUMS
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Agreed. Try a Dream bliss small bell flat top.
Meinl just today released a thin crash/ride designed with Matt Halpern. It might be worth a look for folks following this thread.
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To the OP, I had a feeling you were talking about those Masterworks before I even clicked the link. I picked up one of those crazy thin 20s from Gerry about a year ago. I think it’s something ridiculous like 1350 g. It is a very cool cymbal that opens up with barely a whisper, but I wouldn’t recommend it necessarily as a crash ride.
First, being so thin it is very low pitched. I find I need at least a little ice in the stick for something to work for me in a ride setting. Otherwise I end up laying in too much to try and get the cymbal to speak, and then everything washes out. Second, with a cymbal this thin the stick response is a bit mushy for my tastes for riding.
Now as a great big cushy crash for ballads, I love it, and of course want another one. I’ve never found any other cymbals that have as much flex and flop as these masterworks, and the price is right on them.
For more traditional crash/ride, especially for a blues type gig, nothing for me has ever beat my 19” Mel Lewis Istanbul. It’s not that thin, 1600 g and change, but it does everything well.
First, being so thin it is very low pitched. I find I need at least a little ice in the stick for something to work for me in a ride setting. Otherwise I end up laying in too much to try and get the cymbal to speak, and then everything washes out. Second, with a cymbal this thin the stick response is a bit mushy for my tastes for riding.
Now as a great big cushy crash for ballads, I love it, and of course want another one. I’ve never found any other cymbals that have as much flex and flop as these masterworks, and the price is right on them.
For more traditional crash/ride, especially for a blues type gig, nothing for me has ever beat my 19” Mel Lewis Istanbul. It’s not that thin, 1600 g and change, but it does everything well.
Rattlin' Bones
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I bought a 17" Istanbul Agop Trad 1061g from Hazelshould.
I like the ride sound of it, but the crash is a bit longer than I want. But when I put a short sizzle chain on it, the crash is shorter and the ride still sounds good. It doesn't choke the riding, which is odd because same chanr chokes the heck out of larger rides I have.
I like the ride sound of it, but the crash is a bit longer than I want. But when I put a short sizzle chain on it, the crash is shorter and the ride still sounds good. It doesn't choke the riding, which is odd because same chanr chokes the heck out of larger rides I have.
