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How can you tell which line vintage zildjians are? They are usually not inked stamped like they are now. How can I tell a K from an A..etc?
 

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The engraved stamp is the way to tell. All the old A cymbals have some variation of a stamp that uses the word Avedis, while old Ks have a stamp that says K Zildjian.
 

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How can you tell which line vintage zildjians are? They are usually not inked stamped like they are now. How can I tell a K from an A..etc?
The "vintage," older Zildian, like the '70s and earlier didn't have different lines like they do now. They were all just Avedis Zildjians or K. Zlidjians. Avedis and K. Zildjian were two separate companies back then.
(Avedis did have a budget line that was stamped "Zilco" and in the '70s they had a Constantinople line, that were stamped accordingly. The true experts can give more details on that.)
 

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There is some good info here as well: http://black.net.nz/avedis.html

As mentioned above, there weren't different lines of cymbals. There would be different models available (thin, medium thin, bounce, ping etc.) but they were all just Avedis Zildjian cymbals. The American Zildjian company didn't have K's, Customs, Amirs, etc. until much later.

The K Zildjian company in Turkey really just sorted stuff by weight (thin, medium thin, medium, heavy, etc.).
 

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The guides and stamps are 99% or so accurate. But there are always exceptions. You have some cymbals that aren't even stamped. Also "seconds" that only have an "S."
One could even say that the A's made back from the late 20's to the early/mid 50's are much more like today's K's than today's A's.

And then you have some that are just stamped incorrectly. In particular this 80's K Custom 20" Ride is stamped as an A. (ie 80's large CO - AVEDIS stamp - no moon and star or "K Zildjian.")

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