Vintage drums "on the cheap" - change hardware, rewrap?

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That seems like a fine choice if you're into vintage drums.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not against American drums but once you need parts, you're looking at very high shipping costs from the US for a small package. Also, the initial price is usually higher - you might find an Acrolite for $100 in a pawn shop in the US, but not in Europe. That's why I'd look for European drums.
 

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So... I'm still tempted to buy that Sonor Teardrop floor tom and just start collecting from there. There happens to be a muffler in the local classifieds, and now I see that ST Drums has "genuine Sonor tension rods" on sale... https://stdrums.com/en/c/hardware/tensionrods/genuine-sonor-tensionrods
Do anyone of you know if these are only for modern drums or if they fit the teadrops?
There are a lot of drumsets with no floor tom. So having that to start is positive.
 

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There are a lot of drumsets with no floor tom. So having that to start is positive.
Yes! I’ve got the orphan set you liked. Go with complete orphans.i picked up the two toms and a bass for $100. Used the bass to complete a high end, rare set. The toms were basically free. Bass was $20 at a flea market. They were all unmatched and full of extra holes and mounts. Offered them for the cost of shipping with no takers. Cleaned up. Batik cloth made a cheap, tough wrap. Used a lot of parts from my closet. So, I’m in around $150 for a gigging set of classic drums that sounds great!
 

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Alright! I bought that rare 60's Sonor D424(ish?) 14x5 COB snare. Got it for 140 euros + shipping. Pretty sure it's a good buy - 60s Sonors snare have impeccable build quality, people are saving here and on Vintagedrumforum. Gonna look through some cleaning/polishing guides and get it all shiny once I get it.

I'm taking in all your suggestions and advice. I'm gonna educate myself further on vintage drums (what stuff is good etc.) and just follow my gut (and wallet). And be patient - my Tama Rockstar works fine for now.

Glad I bought that snare, though, that was sorely needed. I'll post pics once I get it (tomorrow, most likely).
 

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Update!
Two 1970 Sonor Swinger drums (13" rack tom and 20" bd) in funky "charcoal silver" appeared locally for 130ish euros. Got it for 115. Couldn't resist. I know they use those brittle-ass plastic lugs, but the shells are supposed to be excellent.

I took your advice and looked specifically for non-American drums -Sonor being German (my neighboring country) and all ensures there's lots of spare parts locally, on ebay, stdrums etc.

Now for the refurbishment! Really look forward to it.
new drums.jpg
 
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Alright then! If the lugs have no issues, some people like them because they make the set lighter. Here's a Performer Floor Tom that ends in about an hour: https://www.ebay.de/itm/SONOR-PERFORMER-Beechwood-floor-tom-16x16-Schlagzeug-Drums/124241658592?hash=item1ced6142e0:g:22cAAOSweDNe-xom
They should be 6 ply beech with round bearing edges, so sonically a good fit to the drums you bought and probably not too expensive as it ends around noon.
ST-Drums is a great store - if you don't find something, send them an e-mail or call them. They might have more parts than what is listed on the site. Enjoy the project and maybe show us a photo once you're done. :)

Edit: Even better https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/sonor-16x16-swinger-standtom-ca-1971-teardrop-hoops/1434861137-74-23191
 

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Alright then! If the lugs have no issues, some people like them because they make the set lighter. Here's a Performer Floor Tom that ends in about an hour: https://www.ebay.de/itm/SONOR-PERFORMER-Beechwood-floor-tom-16x16-Schlagzeug-Drums/124241658592?hash=item1ced6142e0:g:22cAAOSweDNe-xom
They should be 6 ply beech with round bearing edges, so sonically a good fit to the drums you bought and probably not too expensive as it ends around noon.
ST-Drums is a great store - if you don't find something, send them an e-mail or call them. They might have more parts than what is listed on the site. Enjoy the project and maybe show us a photo once you're done. :)

Edit: Even better https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/sonor-16x16-swinger-standtom-ca-1971-teardrop-hoops/1434861137-74-23191
Yeah, I've read that about the plastic lugs as well. Supposedly gives them a different tone.

Thanks for the suggestion! I did look around kleinanzeigen for a fitting tom and saw that one. Sadly he didn't want to send it internationally, only nationally in Germany.

There's also a Sonor Action floor tom that lacks legs and 2 lugs for 50 euros, 67 with postage. The Action kits were supposed to be "entry level" kits with the same plastic hardware, right?
 
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I don't know about big quality differences between Swinger and Action - if you can get it for cheap, I wouldn't hesitate to mix them.
There's also this auction which will probably end below 50€: https://www.ebay.de/itm/SONOR-Swinger-FloorTom-T632-16-x-16-Blue-Oyster-Champion-Phonic-Signature/203032980825?hash=item2f45b56d59:g:E0sAAOSwefhe9zkw&LH_ItemCondition=3000
Yeah, they're right about the same from what I've read. But it needs legs and 2 lugs + postage. Ruins the good deal.

The seller of that auction charges something like 44 euros for international shipping (almost triple the postage the guy with the 16" Action on kleinanzeigen charges). Also ruins the good deal :( I've sent him/her a message asking what the exact postage for Denmark is to be sure. (EDIT: It only costs 16 euros, so I'm definitely gonna enter in that auction)

A 3-ply with re-rings 16" teardrop tom (gold sparkle!) appeared locally for 134 euros. It needs 4 t-rods (missing muffler and badge too, tho). I've tried getting him down in price, but no luck. Is it fair, do you reckon? It's a superior drum to the Swinger, after all. However, it should also have a different character from the Swinger - they're very thin and thus not as flexible tuning wise, I've read.
 
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Oh, 44€ is quite a lot. I guess 134€ is an alright deal if the drum is in good condition. Teardrop Floor Toms are a bit rare because back then sets often came with just one small tom. I've recently restored a friend's 3 ply Teardrop Floor Tom and it didn't have a bad tuning range but I'd try that in person. I wouldn't mind the missing badge but here's one: https://www.ebay.de/itm/SONOR-Script-Logo-Badge-aus-den-50-s-Vintage-Sonor/254560938858?hash=item3b4503ab6a:g:f2cAAOSwc99eiZua

As an alternative, there's also this: https://www.jouwdrumstel.nl/losse-toms-50-euro/ketel-447-sonor-action-16-x-16-vintage
Do you plan to re-wrap them? DC-Fix has some self-adhesive wraps for cheap if Delmar wrap is too expensive. Of course you could play them with mismatched wraps or stain the shells.
 

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Oh, 44€ is quite a lot. I guess 134€ is an alright deal if the drum is in good condition. Teardrop Floor Toms are a bit rare because back then sets often came with just one small tom. I've recently restored a friend's 3 ply Teardrop Floor Tom and it didn't have a bad tuning range but I'd try that in person. I wouldn't mind the missing badge but here's one: https://www.ebay.de/itm/SONOR-Script-Logo-Badge-aus-den-50-s-Vintage-Sonor/254560938858?hash=item3b4503ab6a:g:f2cAAOSwc99eiZua

As an alternative, there's also this: https://www.jouwdrumstel.nl/losse-toms-50-euro/ketel-447-sonor-action-16-x-16-vintage
Do you plan to re-wrap them? DC-Fix has some self-adhesive wraps for cheap if Delmar wrap is too expensive. Of course you could play them with mismatched wraps or stain the shells.
Yeah, but see my edit. He/she wrote that the posted shipping price is "standard international", for China or USA for instance. The price for me in Denmark is 16 euros, the same as the Action Tom on kleinanzeigen. It would be cool to have a 100% Swinger kit, so if the auction price ends in the affordable range

Don't mind the missing badge or muffler either. Plenty other ways to muffle. I don't think that badge is it - you can see on the pictures here: https://www.dba.dk/gulvtam-sonor-vintage/id-1067285855/ The shape of the bare spot suggests that the missing badge is the early-mid 60's plate badge (https://www.sonormuseum.com/identify/60sbadge2.jpg) Though it would look cool if it had 100% all the original parts, I'm a player, not a collector after all. I might pick up the badge later if I decide to buy if it pops up cheaply.

No, I quite like the vintage wraps, so I don't intend to rewrap. Unless the wrap cracks beyond repair in the future. I like the idea of the drums showing their history - like some guitarists priding themselves with the natural "relic" of their guitar's finish. As long as it doesn't affect the sound or makes the shell vulnerable! Also don't mind mismatch - it gives it character, in a way. A sweet imperfection.
I'd like to make them look as good as they can, though, and the wrap of the two Swinger pieces has a lot of scuffing and scratches as well as a spot that is peeling. Gonna look into what I can do about that...
 
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That's a lot better, then! Unless you get someone else looking for exactly this drum, you'll probably get it for less than 50€ shipped. But don't bid too high, because there will be more on ebay in the future and the extra hoop and legs will also cost you. Or you play them without resonant heads given your sound preferences. :)
You should be able to fix the bearing edge with some epoxy resin or wood filler to fill the hole and then some sanding paper.
 

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That's a lot better, then! Unless you get someone else looking for exactly this drum, you'll probably get it for less than 50€ shipped. But don't bid too high, because there will be more on ebay in the future and the extra hoop and legs will also cost you. Or you play them without resonant heads given your sound preferences. :)
You should be able to fix the bearing edge with some epoxy resin or wood filler to fill the hole and then some sanding paper.
Right.. I'm definitely not gonna bid high on that one. Not even sure if it's worth the effort unless the price remains super low. A lug, legs, hoop, woodfiller - that's easily 40-50 euros more, and then we're getting closer to the price of the Teardrop tom.
 

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Yeah, you might as well get the complete one from Jouwdrumstel for that amount of money - probably the smarter option because there shouldn't be bad surprises when you buy from a store whose owner knows his products well. I think his prices are generally very reasonable.
 

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