vintage sonor snare drum - need help asap

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I don't know anything about Sonor but the rims and the tension rods look right as do the lugs.
 

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Easy internet search reveals that it's probably a Sonor D444 Chrome over brass snare... see link below to a similar one.

 

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I asked on the “Vintage Sonor” group for you and they said it was a D454

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It's Sonor. COB. I just bought one yesterday.
 

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The lugs don't match either. Looks really like the Reverb one......lugs, throw, shell, hoops, rods, inside screws.....
 

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Yeah...i finallyfound out it should be a 1966 d-444. Assumming its gonna be steel. Thats how they advertised it. Well see. Magnet test will be used when it arrives. Would have liked brass thgh
 

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Hmmm, odd that the same drum model is both COS and COB......

Here is some info I found on another drum site. If it's heavy, it's brass so it seems....

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I asked on the “Vintage Sonor” group for you and they said it was a D454

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Interesting answer. I would not call myself an expert on vintage drums and I know that Sonor metal shells are a mine field regarding seamless vs seam, brass vs steel and so on. But here I could not keep quiet.
The D454 has a different shell and different lugs (70s vs. 60s). I think, it's certainly not what was asked for.

Also about the D-444, I'm a bit puzzeled.
There are images at http://www.sonormuseum.com/1969/1969.htm
Showing one bead in the middle of the shell going outward. The snare drum in question has 3 beads (you call it like that?), all going inward. The same is true for the 'purple chord D-444'. Are there different shell versions?
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This is the D-444 design, I'm used to. Looking forward to opinions of specialists.

Edit: At http://www.vintagesonor.com/snares60.htm, I found one looking like the requested with 3 bulges inward.


This might change with production year, 1966 3 bulges, round damper, 1969 one bulge, elongated damper.
 
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Interesting answer. I would not call myself an expert on vintage drums and I know that Sonor metal shells are a mine field regarding seamless vs seam, brass vs steel and so on. But here I could not keep quiet.
The D454 has a different shell and different lugs (70s vs. 60s). I think, it's certainly not what was asked for.

Also about the D-444, I'm a bit puzzeled.
There are images at http://www.sonormuseum.com/1969/1969.htm
Showing one bead in the middle of the shell going outward. The snare drum in question has 3 beads (you call it like that?), all going inward. The same is true for the 'purple chord D-444'. Are there different shell versions?
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This is the D-444 design, I'm used to. Looking forward to opinions of specialists.

Edit: At http://www.vintagesonor.com/snares60.htm, I found one looking like the requested with 3 bulges inward.


This might change with production year, 1966 3 bulges, round damper, 1969 one bulge, elongated damper.
What can I say. I presented it to whom I consider the specialists to help out and that was their determination so I passed it along.

They said that there was a lot of odd stuff going on with those snares back then.
 

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Ah the D444 or “snare of mysterious province.” Hard to think of a snare that doesn’t spark more debate then this one among the faithful.

Folks seam to get the 444 and 545 confused, but as noted the 545 was the first snare to feature the new Phonic lug where the 444 in all its versions feature the old double teardrop lug. The 545 has a sticker badge and the 444 a metal one. The sticker badge is the exact same size as the metal one but in reverse. What’s chrome on one is black on the other.

The 444 was replaced by the 454 in the early 70s as the the basic metal snare. I personally prefer the 444 to the 454 and in fact just sold my mint 454 earlier this year. Both models were offered in the US as listed in the 72 distributors price sheet.

I have seen 3 different factory throws on the 444. The black plastic circle version is the most common and is often broken or missing the cap. Two styles of beer tap throws have also turned up.

IMHO no other Sonor snare has had so many replacement strainers bolted on. You never see another Teardrop or Phonic model show up so often with a non original throw off. This is a testament to how good the snare sounds otherwise why bother?

As stated above, the 69 catalog lists the 444 as steel. My unit is COS with a made in Taiwan generic knock off ludwig throw. Over the years folks have said their units are COB and even COA. It’s hard to tell as many catalogs list the snare as “metal” without being specific. A magnet does not stick to my steel snare. This happens on a few models so take the magnet test with a grain of salt.

From the 69 catalog

Deluxe Chrome Snare
D-444 14"x5"

Seamless steel shell with resonance channel seamless triple flanged counter hoops, floating head- American Plastic two-point muffler, two-sided all-metal strainer with 22 snares. High gloss chrome.

So I look at the 444 in context with other models offered at the time. In 1972 Sonor offered 6 snares in the US, 5 of which were metal.

D420 steel $85
D454 steel $85
D476 steel $130
D444 steel $140
D426 brass $220


So the 545 is most certainly made from less expensive materials then the 444. Sonor never officially made any aluminum snare model. If the 444 was brass then why is it so much cheaper then the 426 which is the same size and cataloged as brass? It’s my opinion that all D444s are steel. They are heavy and the magnet does not stick which makes guys think it’s COB.

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Broken original throw, unit with extra badge strip, the inside of a 444

folks have also took a file to the sound hole, saw what they thought was brass but more likely copper used in the triple chrome plating process

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