WFL and Roy Haynes

[poetman]

I'm curious if others know what dates Roy Haynes played WFL drums. The ad names him with Prez, and the catalog with Bird. I have always wondered what size his drums were with Bird. WFL doesn't seem to offer 12/14/20 setups in standard depths. The 8x12 and 14x20 could be offered, but their 14"s were 12" deep. Any thoughts?

Could these be WFLs?

http://www.drumarchive.com/Ludwig/1955_WFL.pdf

 

[Morello Man]

Haynes favored small bass drums. Think he played a 12 x 18 with Stan Getz.

 

[JDA]

Any thoughts?

that's a 16" there right?

And it's his classic set up sizes/ at the time right? with that little snare drum.. looks a 12/20...12 and 16 ?
September 1953

FEATURE: The New York Times Asks Is This The Greatest Photo in Jazz History? Roy Haynes, Charles Mingus, Charlie Parker and Thelonious Monk - The Kurland Agency

Peter Facini for The New York Times – A friend gave Bob Parent a tip: be at the Open Door on West 3rd Street on Sunday. Mr. Parent, a photographer with a knack for showing up at the right time…Read more FEATURE: The New York Times Asks Is This The Greatest Photo in Jazz History? Roy Haynes...

www.thekurlandagency.com

around there...

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/607704543443271020/

there's a good shot/ Sparkle version ^

 

[studrum]

that's a 16" there right?

And it's his classic set up sizes/ at the time right? with that little snare drum.. looks a 12/20...12 and 16 ?
September 1953

FEATURE: The New York Times Asks Is This The Greatest Photo in Jazz History? Roy Haynes, Charles Mingus, Charlie Parker and Thelonious Monk - The Kurland Agency

Peter Facini for The New York Times – A friend gave Bob Parent a tip: be at the Open Door on West 3rd Street on Sunday. Mr. Parent, a photographer with a knack for showing up at the right time…Read more FEATURE: The New York Times Asks Is This The Greatest Photo in Jazz History? Roy Haynes...

www.thekurlandagency.com

around there...

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/607704543443271020/

there's a good shot/ Sparkle version ^

It's hard to envision that this existed, but it sure did. Just off the hook!

I refer to the pic with Bird, Monk et al.

 

[poetman]

To answer the NYT, yes, that is the greater photo in jazz history! Has down. Top players and amazing shot!

I know Haynes used a smaller bass drum, but I think that was a bit later with Ludwig. It's hard to tell what dimensions this kit is, but maybe JDA's right on the 16" and it could just be a 13/16/20 or a 12/16/20. Whatever the case, whatever he is playing at the London House--and on the dates with Bird--sounds so good!

Here's the NYT article https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/08/...k-charlier-parker.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

 

[Jay_M]

There's a book called Star Sets by Jon Cohan where Roy talks about his kit at that time. He used the smaller kit because he had a sports car and it fit easily in there. Here's photos

 

[wflkurt]

I'm thinking that Roy started using WFL drums around 1948-49. Looks like he's using a Buddy Rich bebop piccolo with both of the sets pictured. I though the jazzette was created for Roy around 1966? I could be wrong about that though.

 

[poetman]

In 1949, his WFLs were definitely not small

http://imgur.com/fu1E5G7

 

[Morello Man]

In 1949, his WFLs were definitely not small

http://imgur.com/fu1E5G7

 

[Morello Man]

I doubt that’s his kit - in the shot with Prez. The Massey Hall shot looks like an 18 or 20, not a 16 as someone mentioned. The ads show what he played, not gig shots - they could be anybody’s kits or a house kit.

 

[poetman]

I doubt that’s his kit - in the shot with Prez. The Massey Hall shot looks like an 18 or 20, not a 16 as someone mentioned. The ads show what he played, not gig shots - they could be anybody’s kits or a house kit.

Definitely true! I'm just trying to keep this thread alive. His kit in the WFL ad doesn't seem to match the Ludwig catalog offerings.