WFL something?

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Hello everyone,

Lurked for a bit, but somewhat new to the forum and relatively new to the vintage drum side of things (excluding cymbals). After spending hours on the all knowing internet, I’m nowhere farther along in my quest for info on this snare and hopefully, someone could share their knowledge or insight.

There is not a date stamp inside the shell or badge, It’s a 6 lug, 13” in diameter, but it also measures 3.5” in depth.

So basically, at the end of the day, I’m totally confused. Would this be considered a 4” shell, a 3” shell or simply a 3.5”? I have some speculation on the possible era, but it’s simply a guess at this point using old catalogues as a guide and someone here may be able to dial in an approximate age better than I.

Any and all ideas, suggestions comments are welcome regarding the nature of this drum.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Cheers!
 

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Nice. It's a jazz combo probably from the very late 50's or possibly early 60's. WFL parts were used up until they were gone so there was spillover into the 60's. This looks very similar to the black pearl transistion badge WFL 3x13 jazz combo that I have. What are your plans for it? I'm sure you could really make a great drum out of that.

I'm guessing this drum probably had a painted finish rather than a wrap but it's hard to tell from the pics. They used to put the wrap directly into the shell so if it was once wrapped, you should be able to see the original wrap tucked into the shell. You more than likely correct about no date stamp but you may want to double check again with a bright light. Those WFL shells had dark African mahogany inside and they used red ink for the date stamp. Sometimes the date can be hard to see especially if it faded over time. Good luck!
 
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Nice. It's a jazz combo probably from the very late 50's or possibly early 60's. WFL parts were used up until they were gone so there was spillover into the 60's. This looks very similar to the black pearl transistion badge WFL 3x13 jazz combo that I have. What are your plans for it? I', sure you could really make a great drum out of that.
wflkurt,

Thank you for the response and much appreciated. Honestly, I’m not sure what to do with it. Would it be best to leave as is or add a vintage style wrap? A 3 1/2” shell is basically a 3” and not rounded up to 4”? I’ve made a mental note of the Jazz Combo comparison.

I’m just happy to have it and would prefer to keep or enhance the aesthetics if possible. Resale value of this drum is not at the top of my list......getting it back to its glory days condition and playing it would be amazing (if possible).

Thanks again!
 

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So you won the bid on the auction, I was bidding against you but stopped at 110 cause I didnt need a piccolo, But good job. Did you get any of the other Items in the auction? I really wanted that Designer Sonor but stopped at 400 even though it was listed in the 2004 catalog at 1070 retail.
I had already looked, and there are some WFL badges for under 30 on either ebay or reverb, I forget which, but not too expensive.
The Wfls for that size came in WMP and Laquer so if you are going to wrap I would go with the WMP.
 

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So you won the bid on the auction, I was bidding against you but stopped at 110 cause I didnt need a piccolo, But good job. Did you get any of the other Items in the auction? I really wanted that Designer Sonor but stopped at 400 even though it was listed in the 2004 catalog at 1070 retail.
I had already looked, and there are some WFL badges for under 30 on either ebay or reverb, I forget which, but not too expensive.
The Wfls for that size came in WMP and Laquer so if you are going to wrap I would go with the WMP.

Skins,

Yes, this came from the auction a few days ago. That’s cool you know a bit about it (small world, huh?) and you were bidding against me, I dig that.

I picked up a couple of odds and ends, a couple of cymbals, but some of the bidding was going beyond where I wanted to be.

By chance, are you the individual from that drove up from the Dallas area? If so, we chatted for a bit while getting the items we purchased and loaded up.

So it would possibly be more appropriate to go with a WFL badge rather than a Ludwig? Getting the one that would match up best would be the goal and I’m down with gaining some knowledge in the process. No ego here.

Thanks for the response, I appreciate it!
 

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So you won the bid on the auction, I was bidding against you but stopped at 110 cause I didnt need a piccolo, But good job. Did you get any of the other Items in the auction? I really wanted that Designer Sonor but stopped at 400 even though it was listed in the 2004 catalog at 1070 retail.
I had already looked, and there are some WFL badges for under 30 on either ebay or reverb, I forget which, but not too expensive.
The Wfls for that size came in WMP and Laquer so if you are going to wrap I would go with the WMP.
 

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Skins,

Almost forgot.....you have NO IDEA how close you came to being the new owner. So I’m quite grateful you stopped bidding.

Cheers!
 

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No I did not end up getting anything from the auction. I actually contacted the person in charge, and they told me they would ship the snare drums and other small items even though the sale was posted as no shipping. If I had known that from the start, I would not have posted about this sale last week. I probably advertised it to my own disadvantage.

About the Piccolo, You want to be carefull with the tension rods on it as they have a tendency to strip if you are not carefull threading them in. I would go with the wfl badge as WFL did have those lugs on there later 50s models. the earlier ones have the smooth lugs(like the buddy rich bob snare).
 

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No I did not end up getting anything from the auction. I actually contacted the person in charge, and they told me they would ship the snare drums and other small items even though the sale was posted as no shipping. If I had known that from the start, I would not have posted about this sale last week. I probably advertised it to my own disadvantage.

About the Piccolo, You want to be carefull with the tension rods on it as they have a tendency to strip if you are not carefull threading them in. I would go with the wfl badge as WFL did have those lugs on there later 50s models. the earlier ones have the smooth lugs(like the buddy rich bob snare).
Good to know about the lugs and insight into which badge (I’ve been treating this thing like a newborn). Ironically, I’m fortunate enough to live within reasonable driving distance from the auction site and only told one person about it ........who has a guitar fetish, so he wasn’t a monetary/bidding concern from a drum purchase standpoint.

Thanks again for providing some needed info. Have a great day!
 

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JDA,

Thanks for providing the links. May have to scoop one of those up in the next few days!

Cheers.
 

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What did the auction call it....WFL or Ludwig?
Hello Jazz,

The auction/estate sales description of the item was “WFL drum 13x4”. No more. No less. But in all fairness, I’m not sure the auction company had anyone left to ask for a more detailed description or history of certain items listed for purchase.
 

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Cool drum. Please note, since it was painted, you can’t wrap it unless you cut the wrap away enough from the edges so heads will fit.
 

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