Man, I agree 100%. That is the hardware (DW) the Church set I play is set up with and they make me a nervous wreck that they are going over at any time! Not my cup of tea at all!I have the Gibraltar Flat base stands. They’re excellent, a bit heavy but that allows my 20 inch crash to stay put. I’ve tried other flat based stands new Ludwig are good, as was Pearl and Tama. DW was a big disappointment. I never liked any of their hardware lines but I gave the ultralight stands a try. Sold them after a two low volume gigs.