I'm not telling you anything new, but if anyone wonders why the Sonor fills the room, it's the heavy beech shells. If they weren't heavy in weight I'd like them more at gigs, but it's worth it.Think he says it at 10:04
Shane: "To me Sonor is the dream kit."
Later he states why, cause no other manufacturer makes a shell like Sonor 12mm undersized and have since 1965.
Listen to room mics of each kit. The other 2 sound thin in the room mics, but not the SQ2
Could not agree more, in fact the SQ2 heavy beech is not as thick as Sigs or rosewood inside out phonics and the medium beech has a wider tuning range. Some have suggested over the years that the first gen black label phonics were made from more heartwood beech then the silver badge, but just a theory.If you want that Sonor tone, you can get it from the old Phonic kit and save yourself about $5-6k from buying (that) new SQ2. I played my Phonic today and it sounded very close.
Not trying to judge, but buying a heavy beech SQ2 is more of a bling move than a rea$onable choice, IMO. Nothing wrong with that if you want the look. I have been sorely tempted to go for a medium beech SQ2 before, but that mostly went away after the Phonic.
You might get a more seasoned tone from older beech, anyway...
Could not agree more, in fact the SQ2 heavy beech is not as thick as Sigs or rosewood inside out phonics and the medium beech has a wider tuning range. Some have suggested over the years that the first gen black label phonics were made from more heartwood beech then the silver badge, but just a theory.
Phonics for sure, and don't worry about durability. After the bomb, all that will be left is twinkies, cockroaches and Phonics.So which beech kits - new or used, modern or vintage - would you recommend for most sound for the buck (and some level of durability if we’re talking older drums)? Phonics?
Well, sure. Twinkies never die.Phonics for sure, and don't worry about durability. After the bomb, all that will be left is twinkies, cockroaches and Phonics.
Right ... Good points. I like the way DCP uses the different mic setups in their vids. I do wish they had different players, though. I'm not a huge fan of either of those guys' playing. Couldn't find a Memphis Drum or DrumCenter.CZ of the SQ2s in the same sizes.To Joes point, you can hear the different playing styles in the video make a big difference. Shane is used to heavy Sonor and he is hitting hard, they are thick and like a good solid hit. His room mic section is full. The next guy is a better player, but he seems used to thin drums cause is touch is much lighter and his room mic section on the SQ2 sound distant and farther away. He needs to lay into them like Shane to make those shells wake up.
Apples and oranges
A whole separate post and subject, but in a nutshell standard Phonics are 9ply 9mm and 6ply Teardrops are 6mm. Phonics prefer high turnings while Teardrops are more versatile. Drops have light hardware and mounts compared to Phonics which are very heavy.
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