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What would be, for lack of a better term, the "big fifth" of cymbal companies?

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However, it will reasonably assure you that their products will continue to be available. Although not cymbals, we have a recent thread in the General topic area about how stranded some of us feel because a stick and brush manufacturer who spanned decades up and disappeared.
K Istanbul cymbals 'disappeared' and they are some of the most sought after cymbals going. Most cymbals last forever, unlike sticks and brushes, so I see zero issue in buying from a small cymbal brand that might not be around in a few years - as long as you love playing the cymbals.
 

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You just made my counter-point to your assertion that, any of these companies can turn on a dime and go away regardless of their standing today. Thank you for that.
That was actually my assertion ;). At any rate, I don’t worry about it. No money in it for me, and I can almost always find something else suitable.
 

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Good observation. But they’d be wresting the #4 position from Paiste, not Meinl. I know there are a lot of Paiste players here, but I’m fairly certain Meinl is #3 (possibly #2) and Paiste is #4 in global sales.
Big John, I agree %100!
Several months ago I did a "Dun & Bradstreet" search for the "big 4", it lists the companies gross annual sales revenue: Zil are the giants of the industry! Sabian in 2nd. place, Meinl a strong 3rd. and poor little Paiste is bringing up the rear in 4th! :crybaby:
I'm afraid Paiste cannot compete with the others because of their sky high manufacturing costs, especially against Meinl where most of their product line is completely automated...... :mad:
 

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Big John, I agree %100!
Several months ago I did a "Dun & Bradstreet" search for the "big 4", it lists the companies gross annual sales revenue: Zil are the giants of the industry! Sabian in 2nd. place, Meinl a strong 3rd. and poor little Paiste is bringing up the rear in 4th! :crybaby:
I'm afraid Paiste cannot compete with the others because of their sky high manufacturing costs, especially against Meinl where most of their product line is completely automated...... :mad:
Poor little Paiste, eh? They seem to be doing alright to me ;)
 

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Would you still feel that way if your investment portfolio had a significant amount of Paiste and almost no Meinl (or the two giants)? Just asking ...
Didn't think they were publicly traded :) but as long as it was profitable and payroll is met, I could be OK without earning obscene profits. If that was what I was looking for, I wouldn't invest in cymbals.
 

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Would you still feel that way if your investment portfolio had a significant amount of Paiste and almost no Meinl (or the two giants)? Just asking ...
All four are privately owned companies, so you can't own stock in them....
 

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Dun & Bradstreet won't show the sales numbers anymore unless you have a subscription, but from what I remember Zildjian and Zildjian Europe (based in England right John?) combined had something like TEN TIMES the sales volume of Paiste!
 

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Didn't think they were publicly traded :) but as long as it was profitable and payroll is met, I could be OK without earning obscene profits. If that was what I was looking for, I wouldn't invest in cymbals.
The question was hypothetical.
 


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