The way "50%" came to me was purely as a rumor -- and a vague one at that. So, I don't know about the rate across models. You're right ... the SCBR is not terribly different than the 602 Heavy Ride. I would guess that the Dark Crashes and Dark Rides -- with their golf-ball-sized hammering -- were a bitch to get right. I bet Matt could shed some light...
yea all those niche forum posters such as Al Foster, Jack DeJohnette, Jon Heisman Fredy Studer, Albert "Tootie" Heath , Paul Motian.. . I mean dude - night and day- those guys would talk them up .....with not a thing to back it up (sarc off..weren't all that well received beyond niche enthusiast forums.
And apparently to Paiste there does not seem to be a market for them. While they are highly collectable the demand is probably quite small compared to other models in their line.Seems like there would be a market for those?
A few things to consider. I'm not in that list, nor are countless other drummers who didn't fall head over heels with them either. Do any in your list still play the SCDR or did they move on. If they were popular why drop them from the lineup. There were a few guys I recall flying these full staff at CH, who was that one dude ... formedacyst? NM, I blotted the name out for sanity.yea all those niche forum posters such as Al Foster, Jack DeJohnette, Jon Heisman Fredy Studer, Albert "Tootie" Heath , Paul Motian.. . I mean dude - night and day- those guys would talk them up .....with not a thing to back it up (sarc off..
I pretty much disagree with everything said here. Saying most heavy vintage cymbals sound worse than modern heavy cymbals doesn't make sense to me at all. What would age have to do with the weight of a cymbal and its sound?I’m with him^. I think Obnoxious Clanger is appropriate. Most heavy vintage cymbals sound worse than new heavy cymbals. So I would probably like a reissue. Doesn’t have to be the SCDR. If Paiste doesn’t want to launch the old line, they could use the hammer pattern and just call it 602 Dark Ride, like originally.
But what is a SCDR if not just a heavily hammered B20 with a heavy weight? I’ve had a few SCDR’s and none of them compare to my 602 Modern Essentials (more crashable) or my old Masters Crisp aka Rosie (sweeter) or even my old Dark Crisp (if you liked the SCDR’s trash and want to up it a little).
I just think Paiste is making cymbals similar to the SCDR and there’s no sense in creating another.
If they did though, I’d buy it just for the cool hammer pattern. And I would also opt for the Sound Creation logo because it looks awesome.
I don't think it's ridiculous; I think it's an opinion. You may not agree with it and that's fine, as it should be. There could a billion examples of it being played and if someone tries one and doesn't like it that doesn't make their dislike ridiculous. I didn't like the one I played. There was no way that cymbal was going to sound good to me in any context I used it because my ears were vomiting when I laid stick to it. It was harsh, discordant with itself and devoid of any subtlety. The next guy who played it may have messed his pants he liked it so much. What difference does any of that make at the end of the day. I was only addressing why the company stopped selling it.And calling SCDR's obnoxious clangers is a bit ridiculous because there's a million examples in music and online of them being played and sounding fantastic. SCDR's possess a huge amount of bottom end frequencies that aren't present in many thinner, more crashable rides.
He and up until Motian's passing were the biggest online enthusiast