needs clean before retail
and it's a medium-thin (as opposed to a thin) don't erase that ink
someone may have factory ordered or it came in factory drilled
desirable cymbal (to the crazies) but she needs a buff. (I owned one)
she needs an 40$ clean.
x not Groove Juice but > "the Old Method"..
rub and rub and ..
The Z ones could have been taken out somewhere down the line and replaced with others
(I have factory Z Sizzle cymbal bought new) that I replaced Z rivs are long gone and been replaced with Bos/Ist/hardware/ splits (or just left empty)
I once bought a 22" Constantinople renaissance for about 170$. The seller had set the price to that because it had non-factory rivet holes, and he was surprised that the cymbal sold in 15 minutes. Holes are really well made and only way to know they are not factory is that one of them is on top of the stamp.
Absolutely fantastic cymbal for a bargain! Never going to sell it.
So yeah, it can kill the price. In the seller's mind at least.
I like to think of myself as a jazz guy, and I hate the 3 rivet cluster! They appear to be factory done as they are in alignment, but should be 1" apart. However, it's not hard to do them and I have done many. Also, yes, what do the rear of the rivets look like (although they could be changed out rivets so not a strong indicator)?
As for the ride, it's a good one. It comes in thin, med-thin and med. That's a first gen "Bill Stewart" ride. Good ones have at least one rivet. I have one now and have owned at least 3 others....they are a bit trashy so the rivets help because you can play quieter and get a sizzle w/out the trashiness and save that for the crash. I am not a fan of mediums and like the thins myself.....interested in the weight, though?
One size definitely does not fit all with cymbals-one drummer’s Alpo might very well be another rhythm player’s Chateaubriand. I raise this point because these … Read More "K Custom Dry Complex Ride Cymbals"
coincidental little diddy in the (from 2005) article above (also one example from BDC is 2267g for medium-Thin) >
"check out the 22-inch Medium-Thin version of the Dry Complex ride (which would be a very happy match for rivets). "