Worst thing about modern drums?

Power toms? Beer can kick drums? Other?

  • Power toms

    Votes: 11 5.9%
  • Bass drum depth>diameter (aka "The beer can")

    Votes: 68 36.6%
  • Fiberboard shells

    Votes: 9 4.8%
  • Slotted/hole-saw snares

    Votes: 20 10.8%
  • Painted lugs and hoops

    Votes: 32 17.2%
  • Double kick pedals

    Votes: 8 4.3%
  • Boutique drums that cost more than your car

    Votes: 20 10.8%
  • other...

    Votes: 18 9.7%

  • Total voters
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dontfeartheringo

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OK, here's a topic that I hope will generate some (good-natured) debate:

What's the worst thing about modern drums?

They really DON'T make them like they used to. Sure, bearing edges are more consistent these days, and drums are more often ACTUALLY ROUND than not, but look at the price we pay for these amenities!

Personally, I can take power toms, though I am mildly offended by them. What I really REALLY hate is "beer can" kick drums. Oh, god, how I hate them. 16" is bordering on "too deep" for me. Kick drums that are deeper than they are broad make me just hate a kit on sight.

Other offenders are listed in the poll. They include:

Fiberboard shells. (Crap imports, I'm looking at you, lowering the bar for everybody. Ugh.)

Snare drums with massive holes cut out of them. (This is just dumb and it sounds bad.)

Painted lugs and hoops. (Kids these days. GET OFFA MY LAWN, TATTOO BOY! Give your sister her jeans back!!)

Double kick pedals. (Just use two bass drums and own it. Otherwise, it seems like you're just cheating.)

Boutique drums that cost more than your car. (Most drums cost more than MY car, but I have a lot of them. $10,000 MSRP is just frustrating to see on a kit. C'mon.)

Add your own if I missed anything!
 

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Though I don't have any issues with either of my modern kits, I don't like some of the ugly powdercoated/painted hardware I've seen on kits like the ddrum brand--Punx, Diablo, etc...talk about ugly!

I *do* think that black chrome hardware works with certain finishes, but I just can't get into colored hardware. I suppose it's trendy but the problem with trendy is that all trends die.

I also don't understand the expensive boutique drums concept. Not for me.
 

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I'm with you on the "beer can" bass drums. I ... just ... don't ... get it. I have this great Mapex Pro M kit, love the sound, it would be perfect. But the bass is 18" deep. It's absurd. It doesn't fit well on the stage of one of the local small clubs. I swear the response from the the beater is just a little bit slower, maybe 'cause of the additional air that it has to move inside the drum (I've seen this debated here before and I know some dispute this). It doesn't fit in the back of my car as well. And it's just friggin' heavier. There is nothing good about it. Oh, and it just looks wrong to me.

Give me a 14" deep bass any day.
 

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I think the worst thing about modern drums is that they changed the measurement system . . . it was always depth x diameter . . . for a friggin’ hundred years an 8 x 12 was eight inches deep and twelve inches in diameter . . . now it is bas-ackwards :blink: . . . half the time when there is a drum for sale or someone is discussing a drum I don't know the diameter from the depth unless I ask . . . drives me nutz :evil: . . . if I ordered a new kit, when it was delivered it would be some weird-ars mixed up sizes . . . LOL . . . NAD B)
 

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Many of the newer drums have become like the newer drummers. They seek some sort of technical advancement and superiority over the old, but what they end up with is no music. Yes, they play notes and chords and precise beats that can be measured with timing devices to see who can place more beats per second than anyone else. But its become high energy lifelessness.

I have witnessed to it so many times in YouTube. You look at the comments written by 15 year olds who just watched a video of some top group of the early sixties- fifties - and even further back. How come I see it said so often? "Why can't we find musicians like this today?"

Many have beome lifeless.. that's why. It's a job with production advisers. We see lot's of straight ahead energy with a song concept like a tall frame of a high rise skyscraper going up in a few minutes. But, its still lifeless. I remember when we could look at the album covers and the deep rich colors would sooth your soul before you even placed the record on the turntable.

Not knocking advancement in itself. Pedals and stands have improved greatly.But the shells? Not too sure about the sound today. We used to go for richness of tone and warmth. By just out-doing something in a certain aspect does not make it better.

Music today, to me, in many ways competes against the past in a desire to replace it with dazzling virtuosity and technique. But, it can't make you feel good, relaxed, and smile.Maybe, its because today's music culture, our culture in general, can not feel good and smile anymore. Maybe, that's why we see so much drugs as an attempt to feel good, relaxed, and smile. Viagra music. But,they are so young. They should not need it if they were healthy in their thinking. Music is the concert hall of the soul. Too many today depend upon electronics to make up for the deadness of the walls that surround their lives. It just never sounds real. It can not refresh. Musicians have become gladiators in the arena, playing onto their death in order to survive.

Other than that... may I have a green tea with Stevia, please? Thanks!
 

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I think the worst thing about modern drums is that they changed the measurement system . . . it was always depth x diameter . . . for a friggin’ hundred years an 8 x 12 was eight inches deep and twelve inches in diameter . . . now it is bas-ackwards :blink: . . . half the time when there is a drum for sale or someone is discussing a drum I don't know the diameter from the depth unless I ask . . . drives me nutz :evil: . . . if I ordered a new kit, when it was delivered it would be some weird-ars mixed up sizes . . . LOL . . . NAD B)
i hate that!!!!!!
 

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I play modern day snare drums and modern day drumsets....I don't like the sound of vintage snare drums or vintage drumsets...I understand the bashing of the "beer can" bass drums and the other unorthodox sizes though...I'll take a Craviotto, Yamaha Recording Custom or a DW drumset any day....just my opinion, not a condemnation of the "vintage" sound...

Mike Curotto
 

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I agree with Mike C.

Vintage just doesn't do it for me. And I grew up playing what is now called vintage. Back in the day we called them used.
 

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I like modern drums and I like vintage drums. Well, I just like drums... I voted for the overpriced boutique kits, although some of them are probably worth it.
BTW, I don't think there's anything modern about power toms for quite sometime now.
 

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We used to go for richness of tone and warmth. By just out-doing something in a certain aspect does not make it better.
So, you mean to say all modern drums lack tone and warmth? :roll: I have to disagree with that over-generalization.
Over-generalization to an extent. Yes. At one time, tone and warmth all the major brands were building for. Now? Its just an option. And, usually the more expensive one. One of the reasons for seeking out classic vintage is for the tone and warmth these kits offered. Tone and warmth was to be a given part of the design back then when one purchased any set, even the entry level ones. But, then again... heavy metal and grunge does not call for tone and warmth. Nor does it when LOUD is what is needed.

Just an old fart, play'in the part, of being an old fart. :)
 

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I think the worst thing about modern drums is that they changed the measurement system . . . it was always depth x diameter . . . for a friggin’ hundred years an 8 x 12 was eight inches deep and twelve inches in diameter . . . now it is bas-ackwards :blink: . . . half the time when there is a drum for sale or someone is discussing a drum I don't know the diameter from the depth unless I ask . . . drives me nutz :evil: . . . if I ordered a new kit, when it was delivered it would be some weird-ars mixed up sizes . . . LOL . . . NAD B)
i hate that!!!!!!
To further your frustration be advised that different drum companies list this differently: DW, Ludwig, Gretsch, Sonor (and I think) Mapex say, depth x diameter, whereas Yamaha and Pearl say diameter x depth. Worse still are the damn case companies: SKB and H&B, depth x diameter, XL/Protechtor diameter x depth. Have fun!
 

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After 52 years of this stuff, I have always seen outstanding drums being produced simultaneously with really questionable fads. Yeah, today there are the huge-vent snares (a fad that's already beginning to die out) and the super-deep kicks (which I think we'll be seeing a lot less of in a couple of years) -- but I also remember flat-base stands that wobbled, gadgets that fell apart and some experiments in shell shape and composition (North, Trixon) that produced less than stellar sound, all fads that came and went in a relatively short time period. The so-called power toms were a fad that lasted quite a while but have eventually faded away. (I can't fault double pedals -- makes as much sense to me as using two hands to play one snare or tom.)

It's true that there's always a balancing act between volume and tone, but the modern drums that are built for volume have come about because of the new music, not because standards have gotten lower. You wouldn't use one of them for straight ahead jazz, nor would you use a traditional one for metal. Either way, the drum wouldn't give you what's needed.

The non-fad values of sound, responsiveness, performance and solid design are still alive and well, believe me, and there are still plenty of serious instrument makers that put those at the top of the priorities list. But the silly fads of today are no more embarrassing than the silly fads of yesterday, and there have always been shells made of strange materials. And the price for an instrument that hasn't been produced on an assembly line is proportional today to what it was back then.

To me, the values and materials that made for great-performing drums haven't changed -- I just ignore the fads, then and now, and stick with what's important.
 

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I like my 22x18" Bass, but those 20x20's just look retarded, And oh god the painted hardware is just bleh.

But, what is so bad about a double bass pedal? Seriously, it is a huge waste of drum "real estate" to have the second bass drum there when the same could be had with just a second pedal.

The worst thing about modern drum kits, in my opinion, is that you aren't "cool" unless you have a 7-9 piece kit, I mean, I have a 7 piece, but I don't ever set it up in full, (Yes I posted a picture with it in full, but I don't play it like that.) I like a 1 up 2 down kit, and nobody sells those, because it's either 2 up 1 down standard kits, or these monstrous 6-8 Piece kits.
 

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I'm just happy to see a post about the silly sizes of modern drums. It's absurd, and it's all about marketing, not acoustics.
 

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I buy drums because they serve my purpose. When I was in a position to get the kit of my dreams it was a GMS kit. High priced but some of the best built & best sounding drums on the market. I traded a Slingerland set that sounded like cardboard boxes for my Ludwig kit. Yes it has a 14" X 28 bass drum but I loved the way it sounded before I traded for it. Yes I like the look of the BIG bass drum but that is the most responsive bass drum I have ever played. Drums are like tools, some are much easier to use because of the way they feel. Snap-on wrenches just feel good in your hands!
Just buy what fit's your needs


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i am a fan of supporting most quality Boutique manufacturers, and that applies to drum manufacturers as well.
but drums that cost more than your car, i assume you don't mean my used beater : )~ so i'll just have to watch ebay for more cool vintage stuff: )~
:icon_smile:
 

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Build em all and let God sort 'em out.
 

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