Yamaha YD-5000D Power Stage 2 Series (1985)

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Hi, et al
... new to the forum.
Background:
I am the proud owner of a circa 1985 YD-5000G series "Power Stage 2" model PS1272 (according to catalogs found on http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/yamaha_catalogs.html)
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TT-510GFLM-173410 x 10
TT-512GFLM-571712 x 10
TT-513GFLM-190413 x 11
TT-514GFLM-201514 x 12
FT-516GCLM-573016 x 16
BD-522GFLM-259722 x 16

The drums themselves have a peculiar wrap - piano black with silver checkered stripping - which I have not been able to find in any catalog.

Here are my questions:
1. Is there a significance to the "GF" and "GC" prefixes to the model numbers? i.e. does it relate to shell thickness, number of ply, or types of wood e.g. beech or beech/mahogany?
2. Does anyone know if these shells (Philippine mahogany?) came in any other sizes?
3. Does anyone know if the GF and GC drums are interchangeable ... really a second part to my first question.
4. Has anyone seen this particular wrap before?

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PS: Since writing the original post I have been able to answer some of my own questions. "GF" relates to the Power Stage 2 - i.e. the slightly deeper drum depths whereas the "GC" relates to the standard drum depth and the Stage line. Both fall under the YD-5000G series. These are Philippine Mahogany and Beech shells.
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PPS: Regarding the inner shell, I cannot tell if they have been lacquered or not. The tone is quite light, so would not describe it as a wood stain in any way, but it does have that feel like it has been coated and not sanded smooth. Could be just the years of mistreatment? Full disclosure - when I moved from LA to Germany I packed them individually (with heads on) and they were stored in an ocean-going freight container for over 10 years, freezing in winter and sweating in the summer. I was shocked and delighted to find them still in a playable condition after such long and arguably unfriendly storage conditions.
 
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Holy crap that kit is maximum 1985.
You must never sell that kit to anyone but me.

For some reason that wrap seems familiar, it's embedded somewhere in my middle school experience. Definitely haven't seen it since it was current.
Thanks. I have not been able to find anything regarding the wrap. I got the kit from a guy in SoCal so it maybe it was a guitar center one-off... no idea. anyway at least they are still round :-D
 
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The wrap was called Black Chrome. The finish shows up in the 85 catalog available on the Stage series but is gone by the 86 catalog. Shells are listed as mahogany with an inner ply of beech. Drums were available in that finish in all of the Stage series sizes in the catalog. The GC and GF are just revision numbers of the model number - no difference in the shells AFAIK. The LM in the Serial number dates them to June of 1985 (L - 85, M - June). That's a great looking kit in a pretty rare finish. And it looks to be in great shape as well.
 
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Thank you VERY much both for the info and the compliments. Up close the kit shows its age. I have some ply separation on a couple of shells but have not noticed any tuning issues... the wrap is rippling in some places ... and I replaced all of the older hardware (rims, lugs, etc.) because it had become badly pitted. Regarding the GC versus GF my take is that GF relates to the deeper drum depths on the Stage 2 line, versus the standard "square" depths on the Stage line (GC). Where have you found an '85 catalog online? I have found only the years before and after...
Anyway, thanks for chiming in with great info!
 

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I have a hard copy of the 85 catalog with the wrap listed in it as well as a picture of a Stage kit in that finish.
 

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Any chance you can scan the relevant pages and send them to me in a pdf? I would also be curious what other sizes were available at the time. My research suggests they offered only two bass drum sizes 22 & 24 x 16 and three floor-tom sizes 14, 16, and 18 (all square depths). Doubt I will ever find matching drums in any of the sizes I don't already have but hey it's only 310 days till Christmas :D
 

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Drums like your YD5000 Series 2. were constructed for live performance. Most of the drums today are constructed for studio work (which is why they have little sustain). Your kit have a "Big Sound" with lots of sustain and very deep tone in the toms, but not muddy. They are excellent drums, which produce a sound you won't find in kits made today. Your kit is the predecessor to the 1996 stage custom kit.

I have a set of the earlier YD7000 series (late 1970s), I searched far and wide to acquire them. I am amazed at their sound, its completely different than anything one can get today, without buying Recording Customs

Enjoy your YD5000s, they are excellent drums
 

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As far as I know the G on the badge is for "gigged" drums - non lacquer finish. GC would be standard sized....like a 16x16 floor tom. "F" is the Force sized or 2" deeper in depth. The 1980's stage series was available in std depths.....all GC shells. Since your stage is a Power 2.....that means power rack tom and bass drum sizes. Floor toms just come standard. If you ran into an 18" Floor Tom it would be GC as well. Are you sure your toms measure std depth and not 12x10, 13x11, 14x12 which are the power toms.

http://www.drumarchive.com/Yamaha/Yamaha1986.pdf
 

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Hi and thank you. I stand corrected, the dimensions in the table were incorrect. I corrected the table. The 12" tom is 10" deep, bass drum is 16" deep. The floor tom is square 16 x 16. Last time I had the heads off I did not measure the shells so probably copied data out of the wrong table and never checked the quality of information ‍♂
 
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These are so cool. I bet there aren't many sets in that finish still around. If you can keep them nice or restore them, they could be worth lots of money to the right buyer.
 

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I have the black version of this set - 8, 10, 12, 13, 14, 16, 22, which was my first set back in '84.

I also have the catalog that shows your color - "Black/Chrome (BC)". When I get back to my office (should be end of this week), I'll scan and make a complete PDF.

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Mine >>>>>>

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Hi Ian, thank you very much! Let me know if you need my private email address to send the scans.
 

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Man, I have come back a few times just to look at this. So retro cool. And I don't care for most things "80s."
 

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Man, I have come back a few times just to look at this. So retro cool. And I don't care for most things "80s."
After the research I am really happy this kit fell into my hands. Their sound is big, loud and unapologetic... they are happier deeply tuned but their range is a bit narrow. I am still trying to find the best head/tuning combo... ironically aquarian performance II tuned to max resonance seems to be the sweet spot... one can really lay into them yet they retain some nice subtleties... I am on the hunt for similar kits ... sizes I don't have
 

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I have come across a kit or two in that finish on Ebay. I think that "rdavidr" guy on You Tube has a kit. I sometimes sub with an 80s band and that would be the kit to use. Guess I will suffer with Cobalt Blue Tour Customs then!


Dan
 

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Hi Ian, thank you very much! Let me know if you need my private email address to send the scans.
Sorry for the delay, I still haven't been into my office yet. But I'll scan as soon as I can.
 


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