You shoot, you score! Best Vintage finds?

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TommyWells said:
And JayT: He Shoots, He Scores is becoming an Abdelkader thing. :D
The Lansing and East Lansing areas are going crazy. Lots of press in the Lansing Journal. "Local boy makes good."

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In about 1990 I think, my cousin gave me his Round Badge Gretsch 13, 16, 20 and matching Midnight Blue snare with some hardware and Krut and Zildjian cymbals.

Rummage sale finds include:
1937 7x14 WMP Ludwig & Ludwig Standard Swing, '67 Ludwig Gold Coast cocktail kit 3x13 and 12x18 in OBP, Torodor 16x16, Ludwig hi-hat and flat base snare and cymbal stands with 18" and 14" Zildjians, all for $20. I later traded the Gold Coast for 13, 16, 22 KB Ludwigs in Pink Champagne.

"50s 14x20 RB Gretsch in Mid Blue with 4x14 Leedy & Ludwig BDP with Zilco and UFIP cymbals and fiber cases for $80.

'60s Tempro 12, 16, 20 with matching Red Ripple snare with various stands and junk cymbals, $20.

'80s? 12,13, 16, 22 Mapex Venus, 5 1/2x14 Rogers Luxor Gold Sparkle assorted stands and Sabian AA 17", 20" and 14" hats in a Sabian bag for $200. I later sold the cymbals in the bag for $250.

"70s 12, 13, 16, 22 Slingerland Light Blue Pearl with 5 1/2x14 Premier steel snare, various stands including Rogers Swivo hi-hat and some CB 700 and Amati Kraslice cymbals and fiber cases for $100. Talked the guy down from $150!

Two B/O Acros for $10 and $20.

5x14 Matador Gold Sparkle and 5x14 metal shell Ludwig Standard for $10

10 lug Pearl steel snare, 5x14 Apollo Gold Satin Flame, cracked 13" Zildjian on a junk stand and an old DW 5000 pedal, $20.

5x14 Slingerland Festival steel snare in plastic case, $20.

And most recently, last Saturday, 1969 12, 13, 16, 22 Ludwig Psychedelic Red with various hardware incl a nice Yamaha hi-hat and Zildjian 16" and 14" hats, $300.

A Church basement yielded Cleveland/Dayton Rogers 12, 16, 20 Steel Grey Ripple with Reuther snare, various cymbals and a cool leather stick bag for $100.

A friend of my son sold me a '66 12, 14, 20 Blue sparkle Slingerland with CB 700 snare and some junk cymbals for $75. I've added a matching 1962 6-lug snare I got at GC Indy for $140.

A couple years ago I got a 1963 Slingerland Gene Krupa 1-N 13, 16, 22 and matching Artist snare in Black Sparkle with all the original hardware, Zildjians and the original shipping boxes for $700.

Flea market and pawn shop finds include Rogers Dynasonic 10x28 "Blackford Bruins" marching bass drum in Red Onyx/WMP with case for $40, 12x15 C.G. Conn marching snare for $70, Blue Duco Slingerland Student with case and stand for $70. and two COW Ludwig snares with stands and cases for $60 and $75.

A church auction got me a '20s? Leedy? Hartford City American Legion marching bass drum probably played by my grandpa for $2.

In about 1978 I traded my 12, 13, 16, 20 Blue Satin Flame Apollos and $700 for a 9/72 13, 14, 16, 22 Rogers in New England White. It came with a 6 1/2 x 14 Slingerland TDR that I traded even for a new Supra at Percussion Center of Fort Wayne.

In 2004 I ordered 13, 16, 22 Ludwig Classic Maples in Green Sparkle from DCI to match the circa '76 Jazz Festival that I got at one of Harry Cangany's Flea Markets for $100. I paid full price for the Classic Maples.

I guess that about covers it. Sorry to be so long but you asked!
 

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Well, most of mine have been "scores". I don't have a lot of extra disposable income for toys (I am a touring musician, after all...) so I have to hunt diligently for deals and snap them up in order to play the good stuff. Fortunately, I travel with a laptop and blackberry and I religiously check the local CL's and Pennysavers when I'm out on the road.

My best deals to date:

#1) Without a doubt, the Psych Red kit I just found. I didn't tell you guys here what I paid for them at the time, b/c I didn't want to get publicly stoned off the board! :shock: 13/16/22 KB w/Rail Mount. No holes, never molested. Now that I know I'll never sell them, I'll let the cat outta the bag - $100. Kinda the reason I titled that thread "Score of a lifetime" 8)



#2) My 1961 pre-serial Silver Sparkles. 13/16/22 KB w/Rail Mount. Bone stock, never modified, has all the original wing-screw brackets and NOB cymbal tilter. I got this set complete from the nephew of the original owner - never gigged - with the OEM factory hard fiber cases, the original Calfskin reso bass head, two brand new K's (17" Dark Thin Crash, and 18 K Custom Dry Ride) and a tuxedo bag for the cyms. The whole shebang cost me $425. :oops: Yes, I know - the cymbals alone were worth more than what I paid for the whole kit. I wasn't "into" vintage at the time, but I needed a second kit and have always been a Ludwig guy. I didn't realize the full extent of my score until I got home and started reading up on what I had just purchased. This was 15 years ago, and the whole vintage drum thing wasn't really hitting yet. This was the set that started my vintage Ludwig addiction.



Those are my *major* finds. Other ones include:

* 1958 WFL NOB 5.5" Pioneer (with a badly peeling Duco finish I stripped back to natural maple outer ply) for $65
* 1976 SS (my very first 'real' drum) for $75. I later sold this drum and have regretted it ever since.
* 1959 Trans-badge Mahogany/Poplar/Mahogany 5" NOB Pioneer for $60
* 1967 Acro w/OEM heads and resin tip snares - $80
* 1967 Supra w/COB rims - $120
* 1962 pre-serial Jazzfest (again in a badly peeling Duco that I stripped to a gorgeous maple outer play) - $72

Part of my ability to score is I'm not afraid to get my hands dirty - I love taking an old flaked out Duco drum, sanding it down to the maple outer ply, cleaning the hardware and looking at a gorgeous natural maple drum with blingin' hardware - and know that it only cost me $60-70 and a few days of my time. They mean much more to me once I get to put my mark on them!

I think the only kit I ever bought that was a "fair-market" deal was my 67 Sky Blues... 13/16/20 KB w/Rail Mount and the factory bass reso. All original (have I mentioned I won't own or play a kit with extra holes or the post mount? Unless it's virgin and/or has a rail mount, I'm just not interested!) and I bought it on ebay for $799 w/free shipping on B.I.N. Still a great deal for cherry vintage Sky Blue Luds with all the blue still in them (do ya hear that ivanrhunter?), but more in line with the value of the kit. I had just sold my 6 pc Pearl DLX kit with hard cases for $1000, so I had the money to spend and I wanted that kit more than anything at the time. I had enough from the sale of my Pearls to buy the kit, new heads and cases for the Sky Blues and they were my primary gig kit until I got those Psych Reds recently.



There's a bunch of cymbals I've scored on too... I used to work at a music store and while the store itself didn't do consignment, people came in all the time with stuff they wanted to sell. If it was something I wanted or liked, I'd offer them stupid low money and more often than not, they'd take it! I've gotten some cool old cymbals that way - unless you "know" - an old cymbal is just... an old cymbal and $25 is great for something that's been sitting in someone's attic for 30 years! :D :D :D

I'm about "scored-out" so now (no more room for drums at the house) I look for deals for my students that want to get into vintage drums. I just found a gorgeous maple 20" Clubdate and matching 12" tom here locally for $75 (complete with hardware). I'm giving them to my student who has a 13/15/22 Clubdate that we restored and wrapped in Red Sparkle from precision. He's going to wrap the 12" tom to make a 5pc, and possibly recover the 20" to match as a 12/15/20 bop kit for gigging.
 

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man,you guys sure must be living right. well done. :D


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Hutdoug - That is quite a list and great pictures. :notworthy:

FMDrums said:
I've had a few good finds over the years, but most of them were freebies from local schools...

(none of the kids in school wanted this "old junk")
There is a lot of truth to the "old junk" comment. That just creates opportunity for people like us.

The school district I attended back when today's vintage drums were new has an annual surplus auction. Their castoffs are better than most people's good stuff. I put that auction on my calendar months in advance. I saw a set of tympani that I probably played in junior high, but there were several people interested so we were not reunited.

Another school auction find - 1950s Ludwig Blue Sparkle bass drum with imperial lugs, all there but the badge (for about $30): View attachment 22221
 

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The beautiful Rogers Mardi Gras kit that mardigras so beautifully restored came to me from craigslist for $50. I still have the 1970 Acro, 14" New Beats and random Tama hardware that was with it.
My mid '60s Ludwigs in BDP were $700, which I would have thought twice about honestly (Ludwig Standard center of bass tom mount added, POS non-Ludwig floor tom) if I hadn't noticed that the ride cymbal said "Istanbul" on it. I got the ride by itself to over $700 on eBay before I pulled it and traded it to a local jazz player and friend for some other brass and a DW snare. The snare was this weird looking metal Ludwig with a keystone badge. My search for its origins is what led me to this great forum. It's a "prototype" Acrolite with replaced hoops and lugs.
Picked up a beautiful '65 WMP Jazz Festival with just a nice patina of yellow for $50 on craigslist... gave the guy $75 just cuz i felt bad.
Picked up a pile of drums including blue Vistalite toms and a couple Rogers and and Acro for $300. Ended up being a wonderful deal for a good friend of mine because they had been stolen from him and I was able to get the seller to get him the money. (or else I was comin' back to his house!)
My round badge Gretsch Midnight Blue Pearl 6.5x14, Slingerland Sound King, and a 411 converted to a 402 were $40/ea at this wonderful warehouse I've found that goes to all the school auctions during the summer.
 

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An old 20's leedy prof model for $20 was painted yellow and silver.
my rogers holiday 20,14,12 black oynx for $125
plus any of the K zildjian istanbuls i've had/still had never paid more than $150 for any of them.
 

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My two best finds:

Gretsch RB 18-12-14 matching 5.5x14, $3000 BIN on ebay.

Near mint 1965 Ludwig Oyster Black Pearl 20-12-14 w/ matching Jazz Fest AND Gretsch 3 ply WMP 20-12-16 w/ matching 4x14 AND a pile of maybe 12 vintage Zildjians and 602's, plus hardware, all for $900, from craigslist. Advertised as "old yellow and black drums," the first two people to check them out passed on the deal because they were too dusty!
 

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Hi all:
Ludwig 1967 psych red pioneer snare: $150
Ludwig 1920's red beauty super sensitive snare: $150
Ludwig 1990 flame shadow slotted colliseum snare: $90
Ludwig acro prototype: $200
Zildjian N&C gen 6.5x14 snare, NOS: FREE!

Being in the right place at the right time does actually happen!
Paul
 

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>I've been to many, many garage sales and flea markets, yet I've never found a single quality vintage drum or cymbal at either.[/quote]<

Dunno about that. Last good g.s. score, I picked up a very pitted, but good playing Supra and a pair of 14" A. Zildjian hats for a grand total of $35.00........Aloha, Bill D.
 

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hutdoug said:
In about 1990 I think, my cousin gave me his Round Badge Gretsch 13, 16, 20 and matching Midnight Blue snare with some hardware and Krut and Zildjian cymbals.

Rummage sale finds include:
1937 7x14 WMP Ludwig & Ludwig Standard Swing, '67 Ludwig Gold Coast cocktail kit 3x13 and 12x18 in OBP, Torodor 16x16, Ludwig hi-hat and flat base snare and cymbal stands with 18" and 14" Zildjians, all for $20. I later traded the Gold Coast for 13, 16, 22 KB Ludwigs in Pink Champagne.

"50s 14x20 RB Gretsch in Mid Blue with 4x14 Leedy & Ludwig BDP with Zilco and UFIP cymbals and fiber cases for $80.

'60s Tempro 12, 16, 20 with matching Red Ripple snare with various stands and junk cymbals, $20.

'80s? 12,13, 16, 22 Mapex Venus, 5 1/2x14 Rogers Luxor Gold Sparkle assorted stands and Sabian AA 17", 20" and 14" hats in a Sabian bag for $200. I later sold the cymbals in the bag for $250.

"70s 12, 13, 16, 22 Slingerland Light Blue Pearl with 5 1/2x14 Premier steel snare, various stands including Rogers Swivo hi-hat and some CB 700 and Amati Kraslice cymbals and fiber cases for $100. Talked the guy down from $150!

Two B/O Acros for $10 and $20.

5x14 Matador Gold Sparkle and 5x14 metal shell Ludwig Standard for $10

10 lug Pearl steel snare, 5x14 Apollo Gold Satin Flame, cracked 13" Zildjian on a junk stand and an old DW 5000 pedal, $20.

5x14 Slingerland Festival steel snare in plastic case, $20.

And most recently, last Saturday, 1969 12, 13, 16, 22 Ludwig Psychedelic Red with various hardware incl a nice Yamaha hi-hat and Zildjian 16" and 14" hats, $300.

A Church basement yielded Cleveland/Dayton Rogers 12, 16, 20 Steel Grey Ripple with Reuther snare, various cymbals and a cool leather stick bag for $100.

A friend of my son sold me a '66 12, 14, 20 Blue sparkle Slingerland with CB 700 snare and some junk cymbals for $75. I've added a matching 1962 6-lug snare I got at GC Indy for $140.

A couple years ago I got a 1963 Slingerland Gene Krupa 1-N 13, 16, 22 and matching Artist snare in Black Sparkle with all the original hardware, Zildjians and the original shipping boxes for $700.

Flea market and pawn shop finds include Rogers Dynasonic 10x28 "Blackford Bruins" marching bass drum in Red Onyx/WMP with case for $40, 12x15 C.G. Conn marching snare for $70, Blue Duco Slingerland Student with case and stand for $70. and two COW Ludwig snares with stands and cases for $60 and $75.

A church auction got me a '20s? Leedy? Hartford City American Legion marching bass drum probably played by my grandpa for $2.

In about 1978 I traded my 12, 13, 16, 20 Blue Satin Flame Apollos and $700 for a 9/72 13, 14, 16, 22 Rogers in New England White. It came with a 6 1/2 x 14 Slingerland TDR that I traded even for a new Supra at Percussion Center of Fort Wayne.

In 2004 I ordered 13, 16, 22 Ludwig Classic Maples in Green Sparkle from DCI to match the circa '76 Jazz Festival that I got at one of Harry Cangany's Flea Markets for $100. I paid full price for the Classic Maples.

I guess that about covers it. Sorry to be so long but you asked!





Now I know why there are no more vintage kits here in the middle of Nebraska. You have them ALL !!! lol
 

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Rogers Top Hat kit with wood shell P'tone, 20 K Istanbul Ride and K Istanbul 14 hi-hats...$100.
1948 Ludwig Oval Badge WMP 24/13/16 and 5x14 wood snare...$100.
Gretsch-Gladstone 2 way...$175.
22K Istanbul...$250.
20K Istanbul...$150.

all were in fantastic condition.
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You guys are killing me. I've paid reasonable prices on all I've gotten. But no killer deals, I guess I need to go to the church rummage sales, Or maybe I just need to go to church. :evil2:
 

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great stuff everybody.

part of jayt's original question was where to find the bargain stuff. so, if you can, let us know where your great deals came from as well. :)


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Black Oyster Ludwig 20, 12, 14 and matching jazz fest all dated October 1961 Included was hardware and some Zildjians. I paid $500. I sold the jazz fest for a nice buck to a member here. Still have the 20,12,14, cymbals and some hardware. They are super clean and being pre Ringo on Sullivan, the quality is fantastic.
 

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Too many to list after 20 years of collecting.....but some of the best:

3-20" Turkish K's AND 2-22" Turk K's....$800 to my door > (around 18 years ago).

1-20" Turk K and 1-22 "Turk K...$300 to my door (music store sold them to me!)

18-12-14 and 5-1/2 by 14 Gretsch RB Starlite Sparkle.....$700!

1942 L and L Top Hat and Cane 7" by 14" snare....$100!

4-18" NOS Turkish K's...$140 each.. 1988 Supreme Drums,London.

Gretsch RB BDP 20,12,14......Near Mint!..around $450 after I sold the snare off.....

18" Old Stamp K.....$50...around 20 years ago.....one of the best K's I have ever heard! Stupidly sold it.....

Circa 1965 ....22,12,13,16 Rogers Blue Sparkle Londoner set,matching bongos,cannister throne,matching Wood Dyna,swan leg cymbal stands,Buddy R 1 piece hi hat and foot machine,A.Zildjians.....$400!....Bought these in around 1973..my first Rogers kit!

Mid-late 40's....BDP Slingerland RK 26,13 and 5-1/2 by 14 solid snare with 3 point.....$75...
my first pro drumset!
Bought in 1968.

3 sets of RB Gretsch 20-13-16 drums.....9 drums.....$600 TO MY DOOR!.....roughly 20 years ago...John Deans,Omaha,Nebraska sold them to me!

Silver Sparkle Camco Oaklawn....18-12-14 and matching snare....$600....roughly 20 years ago........

I'm sure I will think of more

ahh..the good ol days!

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mlayton said:
part of jayt's original question was where to find the bargain stuff. so, if you can, let us know where your great deals came from as well. :)


Other than school auctions mentioned above, I watch local live auctions, non-ebay internet auctions and estate sales closely. Most auction houses and estate sale operations around here have decent internet sites and include pictures of the main items for sale. Many will even take more pictures of specific items rather than just telling you to show up. This certainly makes the decisions easier and allows me to spend my running around time on the computer. Except for the school auctions mentioned earlier, I have not yet scored any drums on the local live auction circuit, but there is always hope. Unfortunately I am not the only one scouring the internet in search of great finds. I am trying to spread the word among the estate sale operators that if they have questions on vintage drums, I would be happy to assist them.

Craigslist offers some finds. I bought a deceased drummer's instruments from his daughter last year. I saw a Craigslist ad titled: "Rogers, Remo, Rockers Ludwig, Zildjian's...interested?" It took a while to get some pictures from the seller, but I was persistent. It was quite mix of things. The drums included a 1938 Ludwig tom, 1939ish Slingerland Radio King set,a WWII Rolling Bomber snare shell with lugs, late 1950s Cleveland Holiday Rogers toms, a Flatjack snare and bass, early 1960s Ludwig 18" floor tom and 3x13 snare, and some early electronic drums. Cymbals ranged from A Zildjians to Made in Italy to Krut. Lots of stands and sticks and cowbells, etc... I have found new owners for many of the pieces (many to forum members) and still have several of these instruments around. View attachment 22273

I also end up kissing a lot of frogs on Craigslist. More than once, too much interest has inspired sellers to do some internet research and reevaluate their prices. I missed out on some "old Ludwig drums" for $50 that way. Next thing I saw was a listing, with pictures, asking for $1000 for a set of Clubdates.
 

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That's why I always answer craigslist ads as follows:
I have cash in hand, when is the soonest I can come pick them up?
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Definitely the Rogers kit I got today!
13/16/22/matching wood Powertone 5x14
Champagne sparkle, flat grey Clevelands with close serials
3 or 4 small parts missing and one rering that needs glue

...in exchange for a new set of Ludwig Elements yet to be delivered.
 


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