Your latest cymbal purchase.....

[Quai34]

I have t

I just ordered a 19” Paiste Dark Energy crash that I saw online at Dave’s Drum Shop . I have been wanting a larger Paiste crash to pair up with my 17” Paiste Traditional thin crash .

This 19", it's awesome, I pair it with a 15 Dard Energy (16" cut due to small crack, cut by a pro, sounds like a 16") and a 16" sound Formula Frankenstein logo...I might need an 18, like a Signature full crash to go with them...

 

[Gretsch>All&Everythang]

Been having fun buying cracked cymbals and trying my hand at making “Sunday Cymbals” as my wife likes to call them .
Here’s my latest. A 22” Zildjian K Dark Medium ride. Had a literal chunk missing out of it, and another crack in a different area. This thing came to me dead. Sounded like hitting a piece of steel.
Had to cut a 3” circle to get rid of the biggest crack. Decided to repeat it around the cymbal to get rid of the other crack, and “try” to get some sort of symmetry.
After cutting the first 4 big holes, I still thought it was unpleasant. Decided to just go for it and make some more holes! Put in six 1 1/8” holes around the middle. Got the dremel out to smooth out all the cuts. And there it is.
Now it sounds like a very dry ride. Not exactly my sound, but I can adjust. It’s got a great bell. Haven’t been able to play it really, so I’m not sure if it crashes/swells decently.
Went from 2862g to 2586g.
I usually only do this with crashes, so this was my first attempt at a ride cymbal. It’s fun to do, and now I’ve got some more funky sounds in the arsenal.

Pretty neat, I’m surprised that somebody actually cracked a 2862g ride that bad. I’ve never cracked a ride let alone one that heavy

 

[Markkuliini]

They

Pretty neat, I’m surprised that somebody actually cracked a 2862g ride that bad. I’ve never cracked a ride let a line ok that heavy

Are pretty highly tensioned rides. I've seen/heard of several that were cracked.

 

[Lennykenard]

They

Are pretty highly tensioned rides. I've seen/heard of several that were cracked.

Agreed. Felt unusually hard when struck and the cymbal had no flex to it at all. That has definitely changed since the modifications.

 

[curly]

Yea

This particular cymbal? He’s made several of these BB 22’s. Just curious.

Yea, not mine, but another forum member.

 

[dingaling]

Yea

Yea, not mine, but another forum member.

Here’s the cymbal with my 24” Funch ride. They make for a great match. I love the cymbal! It’s an iPhone video so sound isn’t as great as in person.

 

[Eric_B]

21” Avedis reissue. Lovely. Incidentally, I bought it from one of my favorite musicians, Ty Segall, so it’s got a little extra mojo.

 

[Lennykenard]

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21” Avedis reissue. Lovely. Incidentally, I bought it from one of my favorite musicians, Ty Segall, so it’s got a little extra mojo.

I got a bunch of the Avedis cymbals in a trade with a forum member this last year. 18,19,20,21,22. My first 19 and 21. Really really enjoy this line of cymbals. And a big fan of the patina look.

 

[Eric_B]

I got a bunch of the Avedis cymbals in a trade with a forum member this last year. 18,19,20,21,22. My first 19 and 21. Really really enjoy this line of cymbals. And a big fan of the patina look.

Yeah I really like this one — definitely gonna check out more from this line.

 

[dhmtbr]

Just scored this today…pretty stoked.

 

[Fat Drummer]

Just grabbed this one from the Cymbal thread and our own Chalmers. I want to thank you all for NOT buying it as I am in love! I wanted to add a warm, lush effect to my Sabian rig and I kinda hopped a pang would be the the sound I was looking for. Where I missed the target on the Mehmet a few days ago (it's still for sale) this one was a home run. 20" Sabian Crescent Stanton Moore Pang at 1675g. It's incredibly dark and moody, will sit so mice to my far right.

 

[KQED]

After ALOT of deliberation and research, Ive finally decided to pull the trigger on a new set of cymbals to replace my current Sabian's (HH, HHX and Artisan).

Hopefully in the next week or two, I should be receiving the following Istanbul Mehmets:
15" Legend Dry Hats
19" Traditional Dark Crash
20" Legend Dry Crash-Ride
22" Mehmet Legend Ride

The waits killing me already!

They arrived!
Will be putting them through their paces this weekend, but until then Im happy enough just to sit and admire

 

[type85]

Just got my latest package from the UK; the "Guvnor" big Jake from Horney's drums just hooked me up!
Never sold here, special stamp made for Ivor Arbiter and his London drum store in the 1960's (Ringo and Charlie played these!).
20" Thin or thin crash: 2100g

 

[type85]

Just got my latest package from the UK; the "Guvnor" big Jake from Horney's drums just hooked me up!
Never sold here, special stamp made for Ivor Arbiter and his London drum store in the 1960's (Ringo and Charlie played these!).
20" Thin or thin crash: 2100g

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I'm kinda freaking out right now, after a light cleaning with Flitz spray, I found the cymbal cleaned up really well, it still has some of the clear coat., more importantly, there's still a "shadow" left of the label..........................

IT'S A THIN RIDE!!!!!

I don't get this, I thought only the early "E overtrade" 602's had thin rides, we have a catalog from that era listing them.
The 1965 catalog doesn't list them.
This is a "modern" 602 with the smaller bell, ½" mounting hole and smoother lathing, could it be they were still making "thin rides" around '64/'65?

Final product after Blue magic, could almost pass for a new cymbal (before/after vids tomorrow!)!

 

[zenstat]

What a nice discovery! Good cleaning Karma.

What we have for THIN RIDE is just a few little hints as far as I know. The catalog entry, and a photo taken in the factory although we don't know an exact year for the photos. I can't see my copy of the photo just now so I might have to hunt for it.

Which 1965 catalog doesn't list them? I ask because we now know that just because a drum company catalog doesn't list a particular model or diameter doesn't mean it wasn't available. Drum companies may choose to list a subset of models and diameters, not always the full range. And maybe the converse is true, some clients like Arbiter had models which weren't called that and/or available elsewhere?

I was also just wondering if THIN RIDE later had the RIDE dropped and that is what the THIN Fo602s are? Paiste do go through renaming and name simplifications now and again. It doesn't simplify our work on the wiki, but names do change.

 

[type85]

What a nice discovery! Good cleaning Karma.

What we have for THIN RIDE is just a few little hints as far as I know. The catalog entry, and a photo taken in the factory although we don't know an exact year for the photos. I can't see my copy of the photo just now so I might have to hunt for it.

Which 1965 catalog doesn't list them? I ask because we now know that just because a drum company catalog doesn't list a particular model or diameter doesn't mean it wasn't available. Drum companies offer a subset of models and diameters not always the full range.

I'm assuming this is at least a '65 catalog based on the listing of the Stambul '65. You also see the "modern" 602 logo: ("E in front of trade")

This catalog doesn't list them either, which is even earlier....

 

[zenstat]

So your

Looks like this

Which is a rotated small piece of a large image which will be very degraded by the forum software. What I don't have is a way to be sure of the year of that photo. The other two cymbals which have visible ink are one MEDIUM and one THIN, plus one where the ink is out of frame.

 

[type85]

So your

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Looks like this

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Which is a rotated small piece of a large image which will be very degraded by the forum software. What I don't have is a way to be sure of the year of that photo. The other two cymbals which have visible ink are one MEDIUM and one THIN, plus one where the ink is out of frame.

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Yup!!

The 1st. thing I thought of was that picture, now, where the hell did it come from??
None of the catalogs have it....

BTW, that beard and glasses that guy has is about early/mid 1960's style, at least here in the U.S, the "Greenwich Village" look!

From the catalogs we have, only the "Super formula" catalog lists the "thin ride" (ohh yeah.. back when Buddy Rich played Paiste!!!):

 

[Tarkus]

Good find, Dan

Congratulations. I bet it's not only 'historically' interesting but also sounds good. At least all 602 20 inch rides around 2000 g that I heard sounded great and versatile.

Question about this photo:

Are there some embossed stamps visible? It looks like at the second cymbal at about 12 o'clock has one, but the others seem only ink stamped.

So it could be (if this not already known) that during fabrication the cymbals got first their ink stamps to classify weight and sound, and afterwards the embossed stamps for export to UK (Arbiter stamp), to USA (Ludwig stamp) or to be sold as genuine Paiste cymbal, depending on requests. Just an idea.


Edit: Just did a Google image search and found the image directory at paiste.com where this photo comes from (original size nearly 3 M. It is clear from this and other images there that ink stamping came before the embossed stamps.

 

[type85]

Good find, Dan

Congratulations. I bet it's not only 'historically' interesting but also sounds good. At least all 602 20 inch rides around 2000 g that I heard sounded great and versatile.

Question about this photo:

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Are there some embossed stamps visible? It looks like at the second cymbal at about 12 o'clock has one, but the others seem only ink stamped.

So it could be (if this not already known) that during fabrication the cymbals got first their ink stamps to classify weight and sound, and afterwards the embossed stamps for export to UK (Arbiter stamp), to USA (Ludwig stamp) or to be sold as genuine Paiste cymbal, depending on requests. Just an idea.


Edit: Just did a Google image search and found the image directory at paiste.com where this photo comes from (original size nearly 3 M. It is clear from this and other images there that ink stamping came before the embossed stamps.

Yes!
We've used those pictures for the wiki page, Steve Black, Todd Little and I are having a discussion about the thin ride name:

"I would say the old designations were still in use up until the Ludwig deal which was agreed upon in the Summer of '64 and started delivery to North America in the second half of 1965,

That would be my bet as to when the metal stamp logo changed to the common preserial era stamp and the designations changed to what became the standard for 602 afterward.

Sometime between the second half of '64 and end of first half of '65 that Ludwig "Americanized" and thinned out the line and we see the Medium Ride and Thin Crash added to the mix

Keep in mind those two designations are also seen in Stambul '65 which was also released in-year in 1965.

So sometime during the early part to mid 1965 is when they changed everything out and dropped some of the old 602 designations like Thin Crash and Ride Crash imo."