The problem with describing cymbals in words is that the words have different meaning to everyone, and everybody has different ears and sticks too. So far the closest I’ve come to what I’m looking for is my 14” new beats played with the bottom hat on topI agree with your original assumption. Those cymbals are not anywhere near "bright". For a jazz player, those might be considered "bright", but they're definitely not what you're looking for. They're all significantly less bright than New Beats.