Zildjian 20" A Take Five Reissue Ride Cymbal - Memphis Drum Shop

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Looks like an interesting deal. I personally do not like the look of the hammering but I would need to hear some sound files before I felt the need to get one.
 

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so... I watched the video... didn't see or hear the cymbal... watched a guy pack a cymbal... oh well

price seems fair, picture looks interesting, probably not for me, moving on...
 

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: Cancer and Reproductive Harm - www.P65Warnings.ca.gov.

why does that warning accompany the finished product doesn't that apply to its manufacture?>. weird..
 

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so... I watched the video... didn't see or hear the cymbal... watched a guy pack a cymbal... oh well

price seems fair, picture looks interesting, probably not for me, moving on...
They have failed to highlight the video link in their text further down. Here is the Take Five cymbal video


California Residents:
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: Cancer and Reproductive Harm - www.P65Warnings.ca.gov.

why does that warning accompany the finished product doesn't that apply to its manufacture?>. weird..
That seems to be yet another programmer glitch, although it might be that the legal department figured that if you just stick that on every page of a web site you cover yourself. They seem to do it whether or not the finished product contains the chemical or if any of the any of the chemicals on the list were used in the manufacture. :dontknow:
 
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This sounds like a marketing ploy, though I would be interested in knowing what work Zildjian put into replicating the cymbal. If it's only a reissued old A of about the same weight as the one Morello used, there's no point in paying $300 for the reissue. Any old A from the same era can be purchased for less. However, if Zildjian put work into replicating the cymbal in ways that make it a more exact match, this would be an interesting cymbal to own. Heck, I might even buy one.
 

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The reissue looks to have hammering like a K. I don't recall seeing any SS A's with that kind of look. I've run through a dozen or so 50' A's 20" the past year. Didn't find any that sounded like Joe's ride cymbal.
 
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I think there might be confusion between the still image of the video (and the video itself) with the product being marketed.
That video is a generic cymbal being shipped, as that is the default image and video for a Stock item, which is what the link is ... as opposed to a MyCymbal actual cymbal demo.
The hammering is very obviously A cymbal hammering for the actual Stock cymbal image in the upper left.
The image and video are very obviously hand hammered artisan work for the large cymbal in the center.
Perhaps that is causing some confusion.
 

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I think there might be confusion between the still image of the video (and the video itself) with the product being marketed.
That video is a generic cymbal being shipped, as that is the default image and video for a Stock item, which is what the link is ... as opposed to a MyCymbal actual cymbal demo.
The hammering is very obviously A cymbal hammering for the actual Stock cymbal image in the upper left.
The image and video are very obviously hand hammered artisan work for the large cymbal in the center.
Perhaps that is causing some confusion.
Yes. The hammering on the Morello Take Five is done with the current generation of impact hammering machines. Traditional concentric ring in pattern. It might be like an A Avedis series in hammering (but no faux patina) but comparing the picture to my A Avedis vs my A Zildjian & Cie Vintage I'd say the hammering depth looks a bit more like my Cie Vintage. But the faux patina makes it hard to see the A Avedis hammering depth on mine (which is an 18" not a 20"), and I'd really need hands on for a closer comparison. And I'd need to see the bottom of the Take Five Reissue (hint to potential owners).

It looks like this cymbal also has the rolled on stamp (rather than modern laser stamp). If I'm right it shares this attribute with the A Avedis series although I'd need a much closer look to see if Paul Francis is using the 60s Short Stamp or he resurrected a Small Stamp for this one. He once mentioned that he has most of the surviving die stamps sitting on the corner of his desk. But I'm not sure how many can be pressed :icon_e_wink: back into service.


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Again, the number of misinterpretations based on the big video window suggests to me that MDS need to rethink the design of this page on their site. They aren't doing themselves any favors.
 
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However, if Zildjian put work into replicating the cymbal in ways that make it a more exact match, this would be an interesting cymbal to own.
Paul Francis had access to the original (as featured in the Take Five video) and he has many successful cymbal cloning jobs under his belt. He is a master craftsman in this area. Whether 100 drummers would agree the cloned cymbal sounds "just like" the original, and sounds "very different from" a sample of late 50s cymbals of a similar weight is an experiment we probably won't be able to carry out.
 

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This one seems strange, not the cymbal but the webpage. Almost seems like a quick add and hopefully will be better once they have them in stock and get a proper video like they are known for. I have some 14" new beats and a 17" crash that both could use a 20" ride to go with them ;)
 

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One thing that I do appreciate is that it's a standard price. $299 is what a new 20" A costs so no inflation for a "Special" cymbal run.
That's what I was thinking.
Whether or not it deserves the "Take Five" moniker remains to be seen (heard).

But I give them credit for not making it a $600 "limited edition" Take Five cymbal...

And, ironically, I sold my 20" A Medium ride awhile ago and have been thinking how much I miss that size ride.
 

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This one seems strange, not the cymbal but the webpage. Almost seems like a quick add and hopefully will be better once they have them in stock and get a proper video like they are known for. I have some 14" new beats and a 17" crash that both could use a 20" ride to go with them ;)

They have two types of pages.
A normal MyCymbal page with the image of the cymbal and a quick video demo of the “exact cymbal” you would be purchasing.
And they also have the Stock Cymbal pages. These are generic as they don’t represent an actual specific cymbal ... just the generic cymbal being featured for sale. If you purchase one of those, you don’t get the “exact cymbal” from some demo. You get a Stock cymbal off the shelf.
That’s why the generic video appears. It’s on a generic page for each cymbal series and line.
 

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To my ear, the 2013 re-issue meidum ride sounds pretty close already. maybe they added some weight.

I think we discussed the original cymbal when that video came out: I think it's a nice cymbal, but not a rare sound. IMO It's Joe's touch that makes the recording stand out, and the acoustics at 30th street studio where it was recorded.
 

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Yes. The hammering on the Morello Take Five is done with the current generation of impact hammering machines. Traditional concentric ring in pattern. It might be like an A Avedis series in hammering (but no faux patina) but comparing the picture to my A Avedis vs my A Zildjian & Cie I'd say the hammering depth looks a bit more like my Cie Vintage. But the faux patina makes it hard to see the A Avedis hammering depth on mine (which is an 18" not a 20"), and I'd really need hands on for a closer comparison. And I'd need to see the bottom of the Take Five Reissue (hint to potential owners).

It looks like this cymbal also has the rolled on stamp (rather than modern laser stamp). If I'm right it shares this attribute with the A Avedis series although I'd need a much closer look to see if Paul Francis is using the 60s Short Stamp or he resurrected a Small Stamp for this one. He once mentioned that he has most of the surviving die stamps sitting on the corner of his desk. But I'm not sure how many can be pressed :icon_e_wink: back into service.


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Again, the number of misinterpretations based on the big video window suggests to me that MDS need to rethink the design of this page on their site. They aren't doing themselves any favors.

Right.
I didn’t mention the A Avedis with that funky patina for sure. It does appear to share the machine hammer marks of those A cymbals. It might lean more towards the Cie line ... interesting call. That would make WAY more sense in light of a Special cymbal run.
Cool cymbal no matter what the outcome. I like that they gave a nod to Joe.
 

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They have two types of pages.
A normal MyCymbal page with the image of the cymbal and a quick video demo of the “exact cymbal” you would be purchasing.
And they also have the Stock Cymbal pages. These are generic as they don’t represent an actual specific cymbal ... just the generic cymbal being featured for sale. If you purchase one of those, you don’t get the “exact cymbal” from some demo. You get a Stock cymbal off the shelf.
That’s why the generic video appears. It’s on a generic page for each cymbal series and line.
Got it...guess I've never clicked on any of the "Stock" cymbal pages before.
 

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