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Wondering if anyone has these ,"
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likes or dislikes them" and what's the weights on 18" and or 20". I'm specifically talking about the 70's hollow logo Zildjian one's .
 

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I have an older 18" from the 60s. I like it more as a ride than a crash I think. I don't know about the weight. I'd have to go back and look it up from the invoice probably.
 

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Does it still have ink?
 

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It does not have any ink left. In great shape though.
 

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I have one I bought new in-person in-store in 1976.
18".
(6) factory rivet.
Solid (not hollow) ink. All ink still present (top and bottom) 1553g
price.................................3000$
for dfoers 4000$ ; )

Is more Ride, you crash...than crash, you ride.
 
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I had a 20" new, late 60's, same deal, more like a ride you crash.
Bought a 60's 22 used last Winter, good light ride, good big crash. As a ride I really had to hold back or it would wash out, that's my heavy hand. It was a good recording cymbal.
 

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Wondering if anyone has these ," View attachment 412245

likes or dislikes them" and what's the weights on 18" and or 20". I'm specifically talking about the 70's hollow logo Zildjian one's .
Hollow Logo would be late 70s-early 80s. I had a couple of medium thin crashes from that era (same exact cymbal as the Crash/Ride). I liked that era of Zildjians. It was a simple time.
 

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My Sabian 20" crash/ride is a little too much paired with my 60's 20" 602. Hopefully this will fit better?
 

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I have one I bought new in-person in-store in 1976.
18".
(6) factory rivet.
Solid (not hollow) ink. All ink still present (top and bottom) 1553g
price.................................3000$
for dfoers 4000$ ; )

Is more Ride, you crash...than crash, you ride.
Pics and sound file or it didn't happen. :glasses8:

20" 70s A Zildjians with model ink:

  • ex. thin 1875g (this was a Flat Top Ride)
  • crash 1642g
  • thin 1620g*, 1748g, 1748g, 1755g
  • crash ride 1914g, 1918g, 2054g, 2080g, 2114g (plus a 1943g thanks to nickrobotron)
  • thin crash 1944g**
  • paper thin 2087g (seems rather heavy unless they meant paper thin ride not paper thin crash)
  • medium thin 2010g (plus a medium thin ride 60s stamp 2036g thanks to nickrobotron)
  • light ride 2130g
  • medium ride 2200g - 2678g
  • mini cup ride 2475g, 2951g, 3180g (it seems they came in two weight classes based on other info)
  • deep ride 2800g - 2950g
  • ping ride 2850g - 3100g
  • earth ride over 3500g

* more likely a thin crash missing the crash ink but the thin ink was still there
** more likely something other than a thin crash at that weight

Weights proceed in an orderly fashion with some overlaps and a few as yet unresolved oddities. You can see where Crash Rides fit in to the overall scheme. Note that Crash Rides also use the 5.5" diameter bell (and they share this with Crashes). Medium Rides used the 5" bell.

18" 70s A Zildjians with model ink

  • crash 1065g, 1430g (plus a 60s stamp 1367g thanks to nickrobotron)
  • thin crash 1337g, 1362g, 1376g
  • thin dance 1390g, 1400g
  • medium thin crash 1448g, 1454g, 1474g, 1578g, 1674g
  • medium crash 1310g, 1350g, 1364g, 1375g, 1475g, 1535g, 1542g
  • thin 1355g, 1370g, 1375g
  • crash ride: one with model ink found but no weight given (but note that the medium crash and the crash ride have the same specs); JDA's solid ink CO. trademarked crash ride 1553g
  • light ride 1516g, 1576g
  • medium ride 1723g, 1835g, 1860g
  • rock crash 1793g
  • mini cup ride 1770g, 1800g
  • concert band 2255g

Note that for "70s" I am including cymbals which may

  • have a 70s trademark (1971 to some years past mid 1982 which seems to be the time of the CO. trademark)
  • have the hollow ink Zildjian on the bottom (1978-1982)
  • have model ink which doesn't have the diameter underneath (pre 1982)
  • do not have a CO. trademark

Given there are an unknown proportion of cymbals which once had a hollow ink Zildjian on the bottom which was removed one needs to knit together a number of definitions to try and focus on the period you are interested in. Of course there are lots of cymbals which have lost their model ink as well which adds to the complexity of analysis. The above model lists aren't yet complete. In particular the 20" list excludes Rock Rides (I might add them in later for completeness). I had only one example of an 18" Rock Crash which is included.
 
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Hollow Logo would be late 70s-early 80s. I had a couple of medium thin crashes from that era (same exact cymbal as the Crash/Ride). I liked that era of Zildjians. It was a simple time.
I'm not sure it was such a "simple time". The closer I look the more rich and complicated it gets in terms of models for the 1970s. I'm still trying to figure it all out. :glasses8:

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My Sabian 20" crash/ride is a little too much paired with my 60's 20" 602. Hopefully this will fit better?
You'll need to hear it in order to tell that.
 
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And the receipt proving you bought this new in 1976 which is 6 years before that ink style was used and before the CO. trademark came into use (mid 1982)?
 
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Have it your way that's how I remember it. I can't see 1982. But I'll give it to you.
Only way I could check is to see when Professional Music closed. And I haven't seen that guy in a while.
But you can have it any way you like it. Either way it was a long time ago. If you say 82 that's ok with me. I did buy at another store, a new Tama Superstar set in 81 maybe I bought the cymbal to go along with that. But no way can do I remember. Do it your way inconsequential to me. It's just a stinking A.

oh price just went up
"newer than I thought" 6500$

another truth of the matter in those olden days I never saw a new hollow ink Zildjian in a store. Maybe it was a territorial thing but never saw one. I started going to music stores that I can remember in 74-75

can't help you with receipts Judge
this isn't a courtroom. far from a courtroom.

"Last Chance 230$ shipped US48"
 
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Here's the best deal I got.

When Harry Cangany Closed the prior forum down he sold what remained in his store.
I bought from Harry his last remaining Avedis Zildjian Hi Hats. I grabbed them. "Last Hi hats sold by Harry".
Now these were used. two 14's. Really nice. here's the weights. 831/938.

On the Inside-bottom of the 938 is a faint HI HAT ink.
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That's all I know (about the age) But these were the last 14" Avedis Hi Hats Harry sold.
If you look up the word perfect in Websters dictionary there's a picture of these.


Just putting a Feeler out There:
( "One Week Only") 580$ b/o
Shipped US48)
 

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another truth of the matter in those olden days I never saw a new hollow ink Zildjian in a store. Maybe it was a territorial thing but never saw one. I started going to music stores that I can remember in 74-75
I bought my Zildjian A crash "hollow logo" brand new out of Banko's Music store (Ansonia, CT). It was around 1976-1978. It was in the store on the rack and I needed my first real good sounding crash cymbal. It was probably around the same time I bought my new Pearl Export (WMP?) from Banko's as well in 76/77. Those were my last "new purchases" of drum gear until the early 90's.

The 45 cm dimension inked on JDA's crash/ride cymbal and big "CO" in the die stamp.....almost certainly places that in the early 80's. Great sounding 18" cymbal. You don't find them like that very often. It may only be a "stinking" A.....but it's a heckuva stinking A. I've had several 18" Zildjian A's in that 1575 gm weight range....and not sounding as sweet as this one.
 
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I've already got so many great pairs of "stinking A" hi hats that I really cannot find a time or place to utilize more of them. I have like 10 pairs of them from 10" to 15" though most are 14's. Your 18 is a gem...and maybe it's the rivets helping it. My last 18" rivet ride was also 1575 gm and from the 50's. It just was too harsh and overbearing imo. I'm getting in an identical weight K Zildjian 18" and hoping it gives me a similar ride/crash vibe to yours. My search for an 18 that rides wonderfully is still fruitless....and I've tried examples from 1280 to 1800 gms.
 

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My search for an 18 that rides wonderfully is still fruitless.
I have about 14 of them and at I one time I was "like you" I went thru every 18 on the planet. But I came out from under that. I went thru that quest. the true easy answer is number 1. Old K. Every one is a Ride. then you go off into 18" rides from everyone and you get slower and slower until you're stuck in clay up to your hips. But you learn to come out of it/
 

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