Zildjian K crash/ride ??

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I'm looking for a cymbal for a smaller travel kit that would work as both a crash and a ride to use in a small pop combo.
I have a Paiste 20" big beat now. It crashes pretty well, but it's a bit too washy on the ride side.
Been think about a Zildjian K crash/ride. I see that it's available in both 18" and 20".
The 18" would travel well, and would make my kit footprint a little tighter, but will it wash out too easily as a ride?
 

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I'm looking for a cymbal for a smaller travel kit that would work as both a crash and a ride to use in a small pop combo.
I have a Paiste 20" big beat now. It crashes pretty well, but it's a bit too washy on the ride side.
Been think about a Zildjian K crash/ride. I see that it's available in both 18" and 20".
The 18" would travel well, and would make my kit footprint a little tighter, but will it wash out too easily as a ride?
I’d get a 20. Then again, there are lots of options there. Minimum would be 19 for me, but obviously not an option for that model. The 18 is simply the med-thin crash. Too much crash.
 

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I gig with a 20" K Custom Dark Crash, and a 20" K Custom Dark Ride. Both those cymbals are great as crashes or rides. If I were going to pick one, I'd go with the 20" KCD Ride. I love these cymbals.

From a recent gig (jump to about 1:45 for both cymbals in use):



I also have a Dream Bliss 20 crash/ride that I really like. That's the only big cymbal I have on my practice kit.

 
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I'm looking for a cymbal for a smaller travel kit that would work as both a crash and a ride to use in a small pop combo.
I have a Paiste 20" big beat now. It crashes pretty well, but it's a bit too washy on the ride side.
Been think about a Zildjian K crash/ride. I see that it's available in both 18" and 20".
The 18" would travel well, and would make my kit footprint a little tighter, but will it wash out too easily as a ride?
I have a big beat 21 that also washes out too quickly for a ride, so I get that. Maybe a Zildjian Avedis 20
 

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Best all-purpose 20 that I've found so far is the Agop Mel Lewis 1982 ride. Great balance of stick and crash, great bell. They show up on the used market fairly often, I saw a couple on Reverb just the other day.

Among Zildjians, the K Con Renaissance line has some gems, or with some cherry-picking you can find a 1950's A that will do it all.
 

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Based on suggestions here, I'm going to try a Zildjian K Custom Dark 20" next.
I already have the K Custom Dark hats and crashes, and like them a lot.
I use them with a K Custom 20" ride on my other kit, but that one is heavy and doesn't crash well.
So, the med-thin K Custom Dark may work better on my lower vol. compact kit.
 

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I think the K Custom Dark Ride or maybe even the Medium would work. I have an older 90's K 20" crash ride with a 6 inch piece of packing tape underneath to control some of the wash. I use it mostly with an 18" Medium Thin on the left but have used as the only cymbal, it crashes better than it rides but the bell is great. It's got a sweet spot for riding and does well...but I'd like a little less wash from it.
 

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Test driving a recent zildjian 20" A crash/ride at the moment, Big crash sound, decent ride capabilities that don't wash out, Mine isn't perfect but its a really nice cymbal that's not too heavy either,,,, I wonder if i could get away with an 18 A crash/ride for travelling.. Anyone use one ?

I'd like to try a K model too sometime,,,,,

Found a quick clip of my 20 A crash/ride in action from the weekend if that helps, I have a small bit of tape and a sizzler attached in the clip,,,

 
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I have 20" K Crash Rides in both traditional (a bit drier) and brilliant (a bit wetter) finish. They are both in the low 2000g weight ballpark. Both crash and ride great. Large, clear bells. They have substantial wash, but it is controlled. Stick definition always comes through.

Good sample here:

 

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I'm looking for a cymbal for a smaller travel kit that would work as both a crash and a ride to use in a small pop combo.
I have a Paiste 20" big beat now. It crashes pretty well, but it's a bit too washy on the ride side.
Been think about a Zildjian K crash/ride. I see that it's available in both 18" and 20".
The 18" would travel well, and would make my kit footprint a little tighter, but will it wash out too easily as a ride?
The Crash Ride is the same model as the Medium-Thin Crash. I can't really say if it would have a better stick than your Big Beat, with the Z's it probably varies from cymbal to cymbal. But it's a ridable Crash. You might want to consider a dedicated Ride that crashes well like the K Custom Dark.
 

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Based on suggestions here, I'm going to try a Zildjian K Custom Dark 20" next.
I already have the K Custom Dark hats and crashes, and like them a lot.
I use them with a K Custom 20" ride on my other kit, but that one is heavy and doesn't crash well.
So, the med-thin K Custom Dark may work better on my lower vol. compact kit.

That would be my choice and suggestion. The 20" KCD is my all time favorite ride. I have two of them.
One is absolutely perfect, and the other is merely excellent.
 

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I think the 20 Med/thin A would be a good choice. K's can be too specific. I just got through at the GC, and for a true multi purpose, it could be hard to beat
 

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Definitely don't rule out the "new" As.

Completely different animals from the mid 70s-2013 varients.

I went to Ks to get away from the heavier As, but picked up a set of the new As and found that They are much more versatile than their former selves. Work well even on lower volume gigs and I can mix them in with the Ks.

For instance I will use the 20" A crash ride with a 17" K dark thin crash and either "new" New Beats or 14" k/a pair for hats.

If I need to dry it out, a little piece of gaffer tape under the sweet spot works perfectly.
 

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The newer A's are great. I only have a pair of 14" New Beats from that series, but like all the other 'new' A's I've tried.
They aren't as trendy as Agops and similar stuff, and aren't as cool as the K reputation, so I tend to overlook them, but
probably shouldn't.
Most of the A's I've got are older, and there's a fair amount of clunkers that are off to the side for future trades.
I do have a pair of fast crashes from the earlier series that sound real nice - sort of the iconic crash sound.
 

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I ended up with two rides that work pretty well. The K Custom Dark and the regular K ride (which is medium weight).
The K Custom Dark crashes well, but is just a tad on the washy side of stick definition. Half a moon gel takes care of that.
The regular K ride, works better as a ride, but not quite as nice as a crash, but still crashable.
I also tried out a 21" A Sweet ride, but it washed out too easily. The crash was nice, but very low pitched (21" dia).

So, first choice is the K Custom Dark ride.
Runner up is the reg. med. K ride.
 

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Those two should pretty well cover whatever you choose to do.
 


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