Thanks for that...sounds like it would be a lot like my crash ride, I had just a K ride from the 90's that I should of kept. Here's the ebay link:I had an EAK orchestra K for about 25 yrs. Barely played it. Always felt it was just too open. It roars. And the stick was pretty bright for what should have been a medium ride weight of 2357 gms. The stick tended to get lost when the volume came out. But should work perfectly fine for a small ensemble in a small room. The symphonic crash on this was huge of course. I ended up selling it on Reverb last year to a guy who had a couple of them and loved them....using them in both in orchestras and his kit. He couldn't believe there was an essentially NOS one out there from the original owner. It looked pretty close to new as it had very few hours of play on it....contributing to the brightness. I didn't know much about K's back in the day other than Steve Gadd and others in Modern Drummer magazine all said I should own one. Should have picked a jazz EAK....but my local store only had that one. When doing my research on EAK Orchestras I combed the internet to find as many as I could. I didn't even find a dozen total. IIRC most were in the 2300-2600 gm range with 2300-2500 being the norm....so medium weights. My cymbal was probably right in the middle of the pack.
Orchestra EAK my old one
About once a year I'd play it for half an hour and realize it just wasn't what I wanted. I've had other EAK rides in the 2550-2675 range that were far more controlled and preferred those in the kit. I currently have a modern K dark custom 20" that does everything I need (2306 gm). If I had to do an EAK Orchestra again I think a heavier one with some good patina would give the best results - around 2500 gm. I also experimented with mine by applying anywhere from 1 to 6 duct tape strips of 3" in length each. With 3-4 strips it reduced much of the "extra" wash when riding. So they can be tamed somewhat.
It covers both bell size and profile as ways to tell models apart. In the absence of specific evidence I'm presuming these bells are the Medium and Special Cups in use. At some time other cups were added to the repertoire (probably with the arrival of the K Cons) and now there are lots. But the 80s to 90s were simpler times. If somebody reading this happens to have a 20" A Zildjian Crash Ride and K Zildjian Crash Ride (or Jazz Ride) you could have a close look for us. Petty please.You will be able to tell by the bell size. The Jazz ride and the Crash ride have a large bell. The same bell was used in the K Custom Dry Complex Rides (Bill Stewart). The regular K Rides had a flatter/lower bell. Also the Jazz ride had a very high shape (akin to an umbrella), again similar to the K Custom Dry Complex. The crash ride would have had a curvature in between the ride and the Jazz ride which would give a good stick and crash sound. The ride will have the lowest curvature out of all.